Returning back to the fundamentals: Archimedes

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In relation with this picture http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/files/archimedes.jpg I remembered the sentence of Archimedes: give me a fulcrum and I will lift the earth. So far there is another interesting way for explain the sentence of Bessler about the 4:1 ratio.
In the next animation the fulcrum (in green) is fixed.
There are eight rods rotating on the main axis of the wheel at one end, and supporting a weight at the other end.
Only one weight is represented, the next weight making the same job, dephased of 45 grades (I stopped early, the full animation would have been very long for build).
You shall imagine a duplication for each of the successive seven other weights/levers.
The length of the rod is (at the minimum) eight time the distance between the fulcrum and the wheel axis.
This kind of lever allows one single weight to lift up the full wheel because the ratio 7:1.
The frame is supposed to be marginal. If not, we have just to increase the length of the rod.
For a wheel with only four weights, the lengths must be in a minimum ratio of 4:1

[AB Hammer]

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It looks like you are working out of some of my notebooks. LOL But you are missing the prime mover for this design.

Alan

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Dear AB Hammer,
The primemover is itself here above. What is missing is the fixed point (fulcrum).

The question now is: where to find this fixed fulcrum?
The key is to get a fixed point whatever the rotation of the wheel.
There are several answers, one is here (for the order four):
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/files ... ssbar4.gif
and here for the flowerbowl (for the 'order three'):
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/files/cog-9295.jpeg
Sometime it is hard to see a white bear on the North Pole ice.

[AB Hammer]

OK PF

That clarifies it a bit. So it is not like in my play book. But your first animation is what the one I have designed should look like for its shift. I call it the bouncing weight design, and what makes it bounce is the prime mover for its design.

I hold great respect, and admiration for your effort. I will step back and watch.

Alan

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Another return to the fundamentals:

Just use one single weight located at the rim of the main wheel.
If the friction is optimised and reduced at the minimum, a turn starting at 12:00 will stop at 11:30 like shown in the video below (no fake).
What is missing is just a small impulse (additional energy) for overpass the gap between 11:30 and 12:00.

A first idea is to move horizontally the main axis of the main wheel to the left, in view to relocate the weight at 12:00.
But this idea is difficult to implement on a pure mechanical point of view. Forget it for the moment, although a mechanism based on an exocentric is not totally stupid.

Another way much more easy to implement, consists in the use of a second drum (the 'primemover') rolling on the inner rim of the main wheel.
The purpose of this primemover is to climb on the inner rim like a hamster, but at the right time and only on the right side.
Inside this primemover will be located a mechanism associating some moving weights, freewheels, rods, etc (not represented in the animation below) within this particular manner where the primemover will have the tendency to climb only on the right side of the main wheel.

The process can be improved if a population of weights is disposed around the rim of the primemover, increasing its inertia.

[iacob alex]

.....at : http://www.jerrytheinventor.com/?p=51

Try "to play just a little", a smaller mass (M/m=100/1) on a longer arm (l/L=1/100 ),to and away from fulcrum:the first step is a swinging motion (as a seesaw...).

For a natural model with a continuous motionl (Earth-Moon) ,this ratio is M/m=81 and l/L=81 ,face to barycenter/fulcrum...

A swinging motion can be changed into a continuous spinning/turn around the axis (fulcrum),if we play this model adequately , on the top and bottom points.

The last "change" :we can hope for a continuous rotation ,due to gravity unbalance and inertia ( "self" motion ),if we have a torque difference ("tumble" the unbalance) on the same side of the fulcrum...that's all!

All the best! / Alex

[primemignonite]

"What is missing is just a small impulse (additional energy) for overpass the gap between 11:30 and 12:00."

Yes, ". . . just . . ." that!

It is just the little thing itself, isn't it Pathfinder? Always that.

As I rather naughtily wrote over on Collins' B.W.O.C. just the other day, "the LENGTH of the Grand Canyon", as that just knowledge gap surely is.

Find that (which does now elude you as well as all others), and you will then finally have your secret well-seized, for the crass exploiting*.

Until then, it will remain safely that distance from your perfervid grasp. (Guaranteed!)

James

* 'OH! For the good of "noble" Humanity, I shall just GIVE IT away!'

Uh-huh. Right!

[bobriddle]

pathfinder,
when I build MY wheel, it will have 16 horses that will be harnessed in the direction i want them to go.
And the reason I say it is my wheel is ebcause I will not disagree with AB Hammer. i am relying on his expertise in understanding what is a Bessler wheel and what is not.
Next month, I will be renting a shop so I can once again use my router. Still, as I have been scoffed at for using a dremel, that is what I'll probably use to make the horses with.
Of course, if I want, I could make my wheel reversible but it might not work as well. And it does use a fulcrum as anyswing has one. Still, it would be the direction the horses go that would matter.
Give me a couple of months. after all, this wheel is to much for a child otherwise in the last 300 years a child would have built it. but there is something a child can do that an adult can not and that is learn from someone else :-)
And for my wheel, it will resemble Bessler''s since I learned from what I know about perpetual wheels from Bessler's work.
Hope all goes well for you.

Au Revoir mon ami :-)
j'etude en Francais por 6 ans en l'ecole :-)

will be taking my time to do the build
when I'm done, a video will be posted on my youtube channel bessler2011.
it is like I told a gal at work, it is a lot of work which is why few people are willing to build a Bessler type wheel. as it turns out, talking to acb is better than talking to abh.

[bobriddle]

In relation with this picture http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/files/archimedes.jpg I remembered the sentence of Archimedes: give me a fulcrum and I will lift the earth. So far there is another interesting way for explain the sentence of Bessler about the 4:1 ratio.
In the next animation the fulcrum (in green) is fixed.
There are eight rods rotating on the main axis of the wheel at one end, and supporting a weight at the other end.
Only one weight is represented, the next weight making the same job, dephased of 45 grades (I stopped early, the full animation would have been very long for build).
You shall imagine a duplication for each of the successive seven other weights/levers.
The length of the rod is (at the minimum) eight time the distance between the fulcrum and the wheel axis.
This kind of lever allows one single weight to lift up the full wheel because the ratio 7:1.
The frame is supposed to be marginal. If not, we have just to increase the length of the rod.
For a wheel with only four weights, the lengths must be in a minimum ratio of 4:1

pathfinder,
most likely Bessler was discussing hydraulics. An example is if you have a lever 25 centimeters long with a 500 gram weight at a 2:1 ratio could pump one liter of water. if the weight drops 10 cm's, then the pump can close 5 cm's to maintain the 2:1 ratio. two flat boards collapsing a tube between them is a pump. imagine a bike tire going flat.

[iacob alex]

Hi !
Some insights,about this topic,possibly engaging our attention ,at:

http://otmamto.com/

All the best ! / Alex

[path_finder]

Until now we have only considered a gravity field in a vertical plane.
In this configuration (true in the real life) the gravity force is very high versus the centrifugal force, in particular with the wheels of small size like mainly built by us.

If we want to obtain a significant effect from the centrifugal force, we need to build some big size wheels, what is not acceptable in a downtown flat.
So far the only solution is to work in a low gravity level environment.
The reduction of the gravity field is easy: the incline plane is the way, allowing a lot of some genuine gravity wheels.

This old thread developed the same concept: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 7117#67117
The same concept has been by Gurbakhsh Singh Mann.
Remember the excellent work of Mr Preston Stroud on this subject. See here http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 5367#55367

But the most important part of the wheel is the linkage between the rotating pendulum and the plate inclination controller.
My own experiments in relation with this concept have been published earlier
(see here: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 9693#79693 and the video here http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/download.php?id=8899)
The linkage mechanism I used at that time was not efficient enough. In addition the plane was tilted on a single axis only.
As explained here: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 0136#80136
The only way to be successful is to invent a two axis tilting mechanism with a 90 grades dephasing (in advance).

[iacob alex]

Hi P_F !
At: http://www.worldlever.com/ you can read : "Archimedes has ignited inventors of the 21st Century ,believing a lever can solve the energy crisis".

Really,it's my opinion,also...if we evolve his basic concept ,into an oscillatory lever,due to gravity unbalance and inertia.

Even more,the next step will be to solve the 3D transportation ,due to an oscillatory leverage,also...some people call it inertial propulsion.

Archimedes was speaking ("Give me a place....") figuratively,as a metaphor,so to arouse our minds ,feelings and activity to find some answers...

So,let's play lever!

All the best ! / Alex

[iacob alex]

Hi !
Archimedes again...as you can see Gaby de Wilde's "Gravity engine" proposal , at : http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/gravity-engine
Al_ex