Is there by now 2019 a list of 'correct' quotes anywhere on this forum?

[JHB]

@all (Everyone)

I guess it is really just me then. I was the problem all along, but to blind to see it. Thanks to everyone (especially John Collins) who so graciously took the time to set me straight.

For those who asked:
I was just hammering on the translation stuff so that I can compare my PMM to any Bessler's principals that I may have missed and other descriptions that's not in my collection of documents to see how I can improve mine further. Currently I have torque issues on a 5000W generator after I speed the axle up with planetary gears to approximately 1500rpm. I am currently not using any sort of outer drum and was basically looking to find out how Bessler used it to lift heavy weights (torque). My machine cannot turn faster than one of the weights can fall.

Anyways... I will reflect on all the kind words that was so generously gifted me here and try to improve myself.

Kind Regards

Jayson

[agor95]

My machine cannot turn faster than one of the weights can fall.

The clue I have in mind is on the Toy page. That hints on using the rotation as a method as well as the initial fall method to drive a device.

Well a hint is not proof and that is were I am at so.

Good Luck on your endeavours.

[JHB]

Just curious Jayson, where did you find the information on Bessler that you studied? And your reason for not searching this site? Why wouldn't you visit Besslerwheel.com if you are studying Bessler?

I look forward to your input, but I must say, I am extremely thankful for John's work ( and I mean work ) towards our goal of solving this puzzle. Not only John but Bill, Scott, Stewart and numerous other respected members here. What, other than criticism, are you going to contribute ?

I guess that if I told you that this forum is not the end-all and be-all of perpetual motion I will be scorned by the powers that be so I won't, but remember before you attack me that you asked and this is my honest opinion:

where did you find the information on Bessler that you studied?

I was part of a group of people in university that were obsessed with perpetual motion mainly because my best friend was one of them and I tagged along stoned as a kite most of the time. They were huge Bessler and Schauberger fans, but none of them were scouring the internet for clues. They just had what they had and they spent their days making drawings and building stuff that did not perpetuate themselves. The one guy was a Russian that spoke fluent German, French and alcohol. I liked him a great deal. I do remember that some documents were confiscated by the Russians after WWII and he had access to them somehow (probably the Schauberger stuff). He was always translating all kinds of documents on a computer in the library and I was doing the backups for these computers to earn extra credits. After he went back to Europe due to a terminal illness I still had all his work on a backup drive. They made for a tantalizing but unfinished read. That more than anything got me into Bessler. From some passages I could sense the fear of discovery in Bessler's words and other places he was full of bravado again. It move me.

And your reason for not searching this site?

I think this site is a mess. Everything everywhere with no structure and stiff fops ready to tap you on your paws if you want more than the nick-nacks on offer. I swear you can go away from here and believe what you have read, just to find and earlier post completely disproves it when you search for something completely different later. To come here from a Google search now and again and read something interesting is fine, but to use this forum as a reference is a nightmare. A nightmare that is closely guarded as I have found out.

Why wouldn't you visit Besslerwheel.com if you are studying Bessler?

Same as above answer. We did not all grow up in the lap of John Collins you know. I did now visit this forum and my experience was to say the least enlightening.
PS: Not a 'dig' at John Collins, but I thought it would aptly address your sheer surprise that I did not run to this forum the moment I discovered PM.

What, other than criticism, are you going to contribute ?

Ah, The clincher. I was wondering when your animosity towards me was going to rear its ugly head.
My answer: Not sure? My very first post was a suggestion as far as I could tell, the criticism was by everyone else, but I am very sure that you will never be able to agree with me. I offer you my humble apologies for not rising to the standard the moment I entered this forum.

Kind Regards

Jayson

[rasselasss]

If ever confirmation of an" old boy network" was at work here the previous posts are proof...glaringly so...Why,, when some one comes on here with thoughts which might offer criticism do members "pile in" possibly chasing some one with an interesting contribution away...….J.C.did a good enough job replying although he incited "the old boy network"to reply in his defence which was not needed....bad john.

[WaltzCee]

I get the theme. Old Guard dropped the ball, haven't managed to move things along as they
should be. Time for a coup.

And I can see a similar tone in the characters. Also enjoy the Vonnegut Style of
developing character and conflict simultaneously.

I just wonder, could The Good Man thicken the plot a little quicker. I'm getting bored.

[ovyyus]

Disgruntled new member enters with a splash and withholds fictitious breakthrough when challenged. This behaviour is nothing new on the forum.

[agor95]

Hi Jayson

I hear you and the forum format seems to get in the way of accumulating knowledge.
It appears to supply a train of current conversation which then gets diverted.

Also text communication does allow projection of the reader's interpretation of the writers motivations. Also the text only basis descriptions needs supporting material.

Anyway - Glad you are here.

It is good to know there are others out there reading this forum and doing there research in other ways.

See you around and all the best.

[ME]

Currently I have torque issues on a 5000W generator after I speed the axle up with planetary gears to approximately 1500rpm.

That's a whole other translation issue. Anyway, your whole reply shows your visit was just a distraction anyway.

Lets say we post a nice big scan of MT1-MT?? as single consecutive posts in a forum section like John Collins has called 'Translations MT'. Now everyone can comment on the text and we see where we get.
...
I would get the ball rolling, but my scanner driver is not working in Win10

Thus there simply was no intention, no ability, no ambition to help us with the translations anyway. At least, not for enriching the site at all anyway. Right?
So how should we react..? eehm.

I have no time for people with agendas that obstruct the way for others.

Uhm. Ditto?


When Bessler's wheel appears and hits market then there will be plenty professionals who'll jump with all their resources to the opportunity of transcribing all of Bessler's work 'perfectly' within a week.
But until that time, we have to do things with less resources.
That's what those previous replies were all about.
It just shows that this "old boy network" (I think all who replied?) is not that gullible.

Anyway, good luck with your torque- and agenda- issues.

[justsomeone]

Jayson, I certainly don't have any animosity towards you. I was actually looking forward to what you may have discovered on your own outside of Besslerwheel.com. I wish you the best.

[JHB]

It is always the same story:

John Collins answers a newbie post with his silver tongue and start spewing his thinly veiled negativity and passive aggression inciting the usual suspects to swoop in.
Then each one of them do their own thing to antagonize this poor person in schoolyard bully waves, using what they have picked up from John Collins over the years.
Then they all accuse him/her of not being willing to share their knowledge as if this was minimum requirement whilst all of them harbor secrets themselves.
Finally the moderator moves his/her post to the fraud section to the elation of all parties involved. Congratulations all round whilst reputation points are awarded.
Another not so boring day in the life of a forum that has become the laughing stock of the internet and an all round embarrassment to PM and Bessler.

The sad thing is that when I realized that this is what has happened to this forum I got very interested in the so called frauds in here, and found a username that I know all too well. A good friend of mine who has successfully sold a working machine to an American company to be buried by them, since they sell petroleum based products. He was ousted in exactly the same fashion by all the usual suspects and finally deemed a fraud. It would be a long-distance call, but curiosity got the best of me so I phoned him up and asked him a simple question: Does he knew about this forum? His answer was immediate and emphatic: "Only join that forum if you are a sucker for punishment. John Collins and his gang of psychopaths will make small change of you in no time!". It made me laugh so much that I swallowed my chappies. This is John Collins' legacy.

So what if someone starts a post and behaves like a child/fraud/madman. It is not anyone in here's job to attack that person or expose him/her as a fraud. A moderator should immediately put a stop to such behavior. They may be mad or even a fraud as far as I everyone is concerned, but will still be here tomorrow when they accidentally stumble (like Bessler did) on a secret. There should not even be a fraud sub-forum. It is the job of the moderator to identify bullies with bruised egos and address their behavior.

I was very close to exposing ME as the next member of the gang, and he was just about to turn ugly, but alas I think nothing good will come from wasting anymore time on this. It has been going on for so long that no amount of light will elucidate this to anyone in here with the power to effect change. The rot has unfortunately spread all the way up to moderator/owner level it will seem.

So I wish all of you well.

PS: A personal note to the owner of this forum:
It is your responsibility as webmaster to at the very least ensure that this is a safe place from predators for your users. Seeing that you allowed the predators in for a verbal feeding frenzy I am not surprised that you send passwords in clear text to new members. The former may be at your discretion, but the latter is unforgivable and I have therefore reported this forum to the relevant internet authorities for its gross indifference towards the safety of its members.

Kind Regards

Jayson

[justsomeone]

Quote from Jayson:

So what if someone starts a post and behaves like a child/fraud/madman.

Lol, If someone comes in here like a bull in a china shop, and has extremely thin skin, then this cupcake might get his feelings hurt.

You were NOT attacked here. You have been then one attacking from the beginning. The forum members here have a lot to offer. How about just toning it down a little and see where it goes?

As far as correcting translation errors, I am all for it, although if 95 percent are correct then that should not prevent you from solving this mystery.

[Oystein]

People have so much worries. I only worry about solving the riddle left by J.E.E.Orffyre'

Yes, there are some bullies here, but there are some bullies everywhere. I think this forum mirrors the real world just fine. We can't escape real people from the real world, even on Internet. We just have to deal with being a part of society with all kinds of people, all the way from A...to...Z.

I see no problem with a person wanting to review the original meaning of the few most technical quotes of Bessler's writings. I have analyzed and translated most of them for my self too, years ago. And found it important and very interesting. But, from that to..this...was a long, but really short way.

For example the quote about weights applying their force vertical to the axis, was among the most interesting ones.. As "Verticalis" had another meaning in 1717 than today..

Good luck!
ØR

[WaltzCee]

It is always the same story:

it seems it's a different story this time.

John Collins answers a newbie post with his silver tongue and start spewing his thinly veiled negativity and passive aggression inciting the usual suspects to swoop in.

Then each one of them do their own thing to antagonize this poor person in schoolyard bully waves, using what they have picked up from John Collins over the years.

Then they all accuse him/her of not being willing to share their knowledge as if this was minimum requirement whilst all of them harbor secrets themselves.

Finally the moderator moves his/her post to the fraud section to the elation of all parties involved. Congratulations all round whilst reputation points are awarded.

Another not so boring day in the life of a forum that has become the laughing stock of the internet and an all round embarrassment to PM and Bessler.

I hate to break this news to you sir, but the pursuit of Perpetual Motion and
those that pursue it are the laughing stock of the entire world.

The sad thing is that when I realized that this is what has happened to this forum I got very interested in the so called frauds in here, and found a username that I know all too well. A good friend of mine who has successfully sold a working machine to an American company to be buried by them, since they sell petroleum based products.

Are we to believe that James Lindgaard sold a perpetual motion machine?
You are exactly like James. You want to make clams without being able to substantiate
them. You want to talk out your backside, and expect everybody to believe what you
say. Not happening.

He was ousted in exactly the same fashion by all the usual suspects and finally deemed a fraud. It would be a long-distance call, but curiosity got the best of me so I phoned him up and asked him a simple question: Does he knew about this forum? His answer was immediate and emphatic: "Only join that forum if you are a sucker for punishment. John Collins and his gang of psychopaths will make small change of you in no time!". It made me laugh so much that I swallowed my chappies. This is John Collins' legacy.

this is the very sad part of your story. You swallowed your chappies. I'm crestfallen.
I'm not certain where you're at, however in America you can get government subsidies if
you can prove that you've actually swallowed your Chappy's.

Speaking of Legacies, what are yours. Iow, who Do You Think You Are? What have you ever
done that we might review it to see? What are your Bona fides, that you can prove.

So what if someone starts a post and behaves like a child/fraud/madman. It is not anyone in here's job to attack that person or expose him/her as a fraud. A moderator should immediately put a stop to such behavior. They may be mad or even a fraud as far as I everyone is concerned, but will still be here tomorrow when they accidentally stumble (like Bessler did) on a secret. There should not even be a fraud sub-forum. It is the job of the moderator to identify bullies with bruised egos and address their behavior.

I was very close to exposing ME as the next member of the gang, and he was just about to turn ugly, but alas I think nothing good will come from wasting anymore time on this. It has been going on for so long that no amount of light will elucidate this to anyone in here with the power to effect change. The rot has unfortunately spread all the way up to moderator/owner level it will seem.

Very close, but no cigar. Marchello was not going to fall for your stupidity.

So I wish all of you well.

We don't believe you.

PS: A personal note to the owner of this forum:
It is your responsibility as webmaster to at the very least ensure that this is a safe place from predators for your users. Seeing that you allowed the predators in for a verbal feeding frenzy I am not surprised that you send passwords in clear text to new members. The former may be at your discretion, but the latter is unforgivable and I have therefore reported this forum to the relevant internet authorities for its gross indifference towards the safety of its members.

This doesn't sound like a personal note to me. It sounds like a veiled threat. Unforgivable?
Oh, don't be so harsh. Who are these proper internet authorities? What are their names and
phone numbers?

Kind Regards

Jayson

We still don't believe you. My sense of you is that you're a duplicitous troll.

This is Rich.

Dude, this is not the Wild Wild West. You can't come in here shooting it up and send them
Strays toward everybody's donkey trying to make them dance. My donkey don't like that,
and frankly I think you owe my ass an apology.

[ME]

I was very close to exposing ME as the next member of the gang, and he was just about to turn ugly

That's an almost-invite!? Wow!

But I'll happily give my view of things for free in freedom in my own free time when I think it helps.

It is not anyone in here's job to attack that person or expose him/her as a fraud.

No indeed, it isn't.
But it's simple. No matter who you are, you ask an honest question and I'll try to give you an honest answer.
It is not us that exposes the fraud, the fraud himself does. Always!
You may try to 'reveal' some total cunning plot, but that's totally not necessary and actually a bit over the top.
We are just suckers that tried to reply.

Thanks for the John-Collins-trap.
I hope your "friend" is happy with the result and is finally able to sleep well.

Kind regards,
Marchello E.

Marchello was not going to fall for your stupidity.

You never know...

Meanwhile in a parallel universe:

• Hey look guys,
  Sorry for barging in, but I have these torque issues.
  Does anyone know how Bessler might have fixed his torque issue?
  I'm not showing all, but here's a small example for those who want to help me out. It should be enough information to replicate the issue in your shop.
  
  I was thinking and I now suspect a solution can be found in one of Bessler's texts. I think John Collins did some translation, right?
  Maybe he knows where exactly in Bessler's texts he addressed torque.
  He doesn't know? Oh ok, maybe someone else knows?
  Thanks in advance guys.

[agor95]

A good friend of mine who has successfully sold a working machine to an American company,

So I wish all of you well.

Kind Regards

Jayson

Thank you for letting us know there is at lest one successful working machines out in the world.

It's good you have posted a few interesting facts as the viewing rating has gone up!

All the best