My First Post

[jasinlishi]

It is agreed that Lenz effect creates an opposing field when dropped through a solid copper tube, however I am talking about coils and extracting that "energy" or opposing field into the capacitors... Recently I have had the PLEASURE of meeting the president and CEO of a coil winding facility in my hometown and have been invited to use his facility as a test bed, I will post any results as they come. I have no definative reason for not continuing this. I have measured a the dropping of a neodymium magnet through a plastic tube wrapped in 30 guage wire, approx 200,000 windings and it did not effect the speed of the magnet. as a comparison I cut a length of copper tubing the same length and it slowed the magnet considerably. More experimentation is needed.

Thats it for now,
Jason

[Jonathan]

Were the ends of the 200,000 windings attached to anything?

[jasinlishi]

No they were not attached
J-

[Jonathan]

Well then you might as well have had hair wrapped around that tube! If you still have it, attach the ends and see how slow it goes.

[Fletcher]

I've heard it's easier to find & line up if it is covered in hair.

[ovyyus]

This topic is a comb-over - LOL

[jasinlishi]

Hold on here...My intent was to do a nuts and bolts comparison between a copper tube and a tube wound in copper wire.

the plain copper tube slowes the magnet considerably (lenz effect), whilst the windings around plasitc do nothing (lack of lenz effect).

The copper tube is not attached to anything either, I suppose it too could have been a hair tube?

Attached to a bank of two ultra caps it makes no difference.

J-

[jim_mich]

A copper tube makes a complete circuit. The copper connects to copper around in a circle that forms the tube. A wire does not make a complete circuit until you connect the ends together. I makes a big difference! It might just a well be made of hair unless there is a complete conductive circuit around the tube.

[jasinlishi]

points are well taken, an founded. When connecting the end wires of the coil(shorting), it does slow the magnet down...
j-

edit - as my first duh moment on this forum... the insulating coating around the mag wire, kept a circuit from forming. so DUH.
However interestingly enough, as I attach the two ends of the coil to a bank of ultracapicitors it appears that the magnet does not slow down. The caps retain a charge, and it can be used to power an led or a small electric motor, like that found in "zip-zaps".
J-

[jim_mich]

With the caps you have an initial flow into the caps which slows the magnet. But soon the cap is fully charged and there is no more flow. So the magnet no longer slows.

[rlortie]

J-

It sounds like you are leaning. Once the capacitor is fully charged the magnet will fall with little resistance as in a sense you have opened the loop.

If you look closely I believe you will find that your ultra capacitor is nothing more than a common capacitor with a diode and resister in series. To generate a charge by shaking which changes polarity your ultra capacitor needs a Wheatsone bridge diode configuration that limits input to one polarity.

Ralph

[jasinlishi]

Ralph,
I appreciate your input.. But a more in depth explanation of the type of Cap I am using can be found here. http://www.elna.co.jp/en/ct/c319_inde.htm

As the caps I talk about are more battery like than capacitor like, they charge in the same way. Also I experience zero lenz effect when using capacitors, maybe my coil distance is too short, or maybe it just means the "friction" that the lenz effect may cause is too little to cause a distubance in the swinging of my pendulum. I am having manufactured three test coils, should be about 20,000 turns each with 34 guage wire.
If I can gain a sufficient amount of energy with these three coils, I will have the rest done. the magnets I will be using are 1/2" by 3/4" High Grade nickel coated neodymium, a small as they are they will open a refridegerator door...
This theory is my first to instigate the building of an actual prototype.

thanks
j-

[ken_behrendt]

If someone could figure out how to temporarily reduce the effects of Lenz' Law, then it should be possible to build a generator that would put out more power than was needed to run it. The problem is that whenever we generate electricity, that electricity aways creates electromagnetic fields that oppose our efforts to generate the electricity. But, suppose it was possible to get a flow of electricity which did not produce an associated magnetic field of its own?! I think it might be possible to design such a generator. The secret would be in the way it was wired. Obviously, one would not use regular windings...

ken

[jasinlishi]

more on super caps
http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~mpj01/ise2grp/ ... node9.html

Ken,
That would be awesome, one must ask though is the Lenz law the only thing holding that idea back?


J-

[Wheeler]

Ken
Before I found out about Bessler.com, I was studying Len's law,and found a way to capture. store, and use static electricity.
I have never seen it even mentioned anywhere.
It is not a common physics law that is known, but is a law of nature.
I wish I had help, because I think I can prove that static electricity is gravity.
One other person has a paper on the web that I know about.
Morton F. Spears has a paper called (An electrostatic solution for the gravity force and the value of G) Jan. 9,1979
I do not wish to release my details until I can find help in do so.
I am looking into how to do this.