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[Kirk]

If a rod and a magnet are hinged the energy to open and close the gap is balanced, there is no gain. The question in my mind is if additional rods are hinged to the existing rod. When the magnet is engaged with the first rod the additional rods should sequentially see flux making them want to close. Once the first connection is broken the rest should come apart easily -- thus a gain or difference between the force closing vs opening. What do you think?

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[jim_mich]

Kirk, sounds interesting. Did you know that by adding a piece of steel extending the length of a bar magnet, the resulting magnetic force is greater than the magnet alone?

[Kirk]

No I didn't. I thought as the path got longer it weakened.

Closure of the path is important too but my example was a straight line. I suppose you could bevel each rod and create a circle.

[jim_mich]

There may be a length limit at which the strength weakens.

I was building a magnet device a while back and I used two half round pieces of soft steel to form rounded edges on a flat magnet. I then attempted to insert this arangement between a pair of steel bars. I expected the half round pieces to stay stuck to the magnet while I assembled the device. But no, as soon as I got one end between the steel bars the ends of the rounded peices jumped off the magnet and stuck to the bars. I had to glue the rounded pieces to the magnet. This phenomenon helped me to understand magnets work by blocking or spinning ether energy as is passes thru them. Iron sticks to magnets because more ether energy is pressing against the iron than is flowing thru the magnet.

[Jonathan]

I think that is a very interesting idea Kirk. The attachment is how I would see it working if I understood what you said about bevels (only half shown, it would be left/right symetrical).
As to what jim_mich was saying originally, it is probably highly nonlinear and depends on how you define the strength of the magnet. If I'm not mistaken, a rod of iron placed on the end of a bar magnet will collminate the flux lines, making the flux denser there while decreasing the density elsewhere. If the rod is really long, then the effect is negated by the eventual spreading of the flux, like Kirk said (and at the inverse cube of the distance or there abouts!). I'd say that this effect is really more akin to using a lens to focus light. You haven't created any more light, you've changed it's distribution. I don't think it really counts as free energy, but it definitly optimizes the strength-weight-cost ratios.
I couldn't understand the anecdote jim_mich was saying.

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[Kirk]

Jonathan, the free energy is the ease with which the subsequent joints disassemble when the magnet is gone versus when it is there. The magnet and first iron is a push, the assembly disassembly doesn't change. The subsequent joints are different depending on the status of the first joint. If you beveled all such that it formes a circle the flux would be closed depending on how smooth your bevels are. You would now have 2 unions to separate as the magnet would now be contacted on both ends but the more perfect flux path may make it worthwhile.

Kirk

[Kirk]

I'm having second thoughts. It may grip tighter when the distant joint is closed. Need to do it and measure it.

Kirk

[jim_mich]

In looking at Jonathan's picture of KirksDevice the magnetic energy flow would be very similar whether is is closed or open. Magnetic energy flows very much like electricity. If the corners are still in contact then most of the magnetic energy flows through the corner contact area. Do some test! Magnetic energy always takes the path of least resistance. And that path is through the corner contact area rather than through the air. But if you have a gap, then the magnetic energy flow is realtive to the gap distance and gap surface area.

Magnets have unusual properties that are not apparent until you look closer.

Somewhere in my computer I have a copy of a patent that shows a magnetic lifting device that uses a very thin rare earth magnet that is slid edgewise between two metal pieces forming a horse shoe shaped magnet. The patent states this lifting device will produce 50 times the lifting force that it takes to insert or remove the thin magnet. I've contemplated trying to make an electric generator using this concept.

[Kirk]

If their claim is fact then I see no reason why it wouldn't work very well. 50 to 1 is enormous.

Kirk