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[AgingYoung]

[AgingYoung]

[ken_behrendt]

Gene...

I agree that one must be very careful nowadays about accepting downloads from unknown sources. One could wind up with a nice piece of spyware on one's hard drive that will, upon query, transmit one's personal financial information to a scammer, keep track of one's surfing habits, or provide lots of private email addresses to someone / a group whose motives are unknown.

Bill...

I assume that you used the WhoIS or something similar to track the domain name registry back to China. However, is that really suspicious? I think I read somewhere that there are now about 60 million Chinese who are online (as opposed to about 120 million in the USA). Interestingly enough, most of them are using government subsidized, high speed internet connections. I wish my government would subsidize a high speed connection for me!


ken

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On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:

Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ

[ovyyus]

Whois domain name registration record for gravitycontrol.org

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Domain Name:GRAVITYCONTROL.ORG
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Last Updated On:06-May-2005 15:27:39 UTC
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[rlortie]

Google dug this up.

http://www.seehear.net/v3/about.html

Ralph

[Jim]

My ears are burning again. Only this time it's due to unfounded accusations. Let me put answers to your questions.

Jim, who are the individuals (the 'we') running this website? I LAUNCHED GC ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WITH THE HELP OF MY SON IN CANADA, THE WEBMASTER I can't find mention of them or a verified name and/or address anywhere - strange. I WON'T GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS HERE BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO OFFER IT IF YOU SEND ME AN EMAIL, MACSEEHEAR@MAC.COM.

Why is the domain registered to someone in China? IT WAS HONG KONG WHICH IN 1997 WAS HANDED OVER TO CHINA BY ITS FORMER BRITISH MASTERS. I SPENT MORE THAN 20 YEARS WORKING THERE. Why does it's purpose seem to be focussed on targeting potential investors? ALTHOUGH WE HAD A PAYPAL ACCOUNT WE NEVER RECEIVED A DIME FOR OUR EFFORTS. FOR ALL INVOLVED IT'S BEEN A LABOUR OF LOVE. I HAVE FUNDED THE SITE SINCE THE BEGINNING PERSONALLY AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. Why do the associated forums and blogs look bogus. HMM, YOU GOT ME THERE. WHY DO YOU THINK THE FORUM AND BLOGS LOOK BOGUS? Why have you only posted here twice - both times were to troll for traffic to your site? YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GC. I FOUND OUT AND CAME ALONG TO INVITE YOU TO THE SITE.Why does gravitycontrol.org seem like another variation on an old scam designed to rip off potential investors with 'vaporware'? WHAT INVESTors? GC has probably been in existence since before your forum. About a year ago David came along with a theory so profound that we've spent the last six months getting his work up on the site. We are now taking David's theory to the next step which is a POP that involves hardware. Look up Alex Frolov's (Russian scientist) site and check his experimentation page for working models. He has expressed interest in creating a POP for Project Unity as have others. GC is doing something about forwarding the concept of antigravity to replace oil. And you? You're not helping.
Any other questions? Just ask.
Jim
you know where

[david barclay]

Hi guys and gals

This David from www.gravitycontrol.org comin to you live from the wet lands of the north, in Canada.

You sure do sound like a bunch of bigots to me, goin on about us having a site registered in Hong Kong, and one thing I can't stomach is racial bigots.

So you think we're out for your money? You people must be nuts!

I've been at this for almost 50 years and I haven't made a dime yet or taken a dime from anyone to further my work, it's all been self financed, thanks.

So you have some questions about field dynamics or what?

If you really had a look at the site you would see that I give my email and where I live, which is not in China. In fact none of us live in China at the present time. Two of us are in Canada and one in Thailand if it's all that important.

This is a forum on gravity control, at least that's what is says at the top of the page. So let's do gravity control.

Got questions, ask them and I'll do my best to answer them.

[coylo]

[ovyyus]

Thanks for your response Jim. My response in blue...

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My ears are burning again. Only this time it's due to unfounded accusations. Let me put answers to your questions.

Jim, who are the individuals (the 'we') running this website? I LAUNCHED GC ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WITH THE HELP OF MY SON IN CANADA, THE WEBMASTER I can't find mention of them or a verified name and/or address anywhere - strange. I WON'T GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS HERE BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO OFFER IT IF YOU SEND ME AN EMAIL, MACSEEHEAR@MAC.COM. -

If you started GC 5 years ago, why is it listed as being created on 15-May-2002? Why will you not stand behind your website by publicly posting your name and contact details?

Why is the domain registered to someone in China? IT WAS HONG KONG WHICH IN 1997 WAS HANDED OVER TO CHINA BY ITS FORMER BRITISH MASTERS. I SPENT MORE THAN 20 YEARS WORKING THERE.

But the website was created in 2002 - and HK is china, is it not? Why is 1997 relevant to your website?

Why does it's purpose seem to be focussed on targeting potential investors? ALTHOUGH WE HAD A PAYPAL ACCOUNT WE NEVER RECEIVED A DIME FOR OUR EFFORTS. FOR ALL INVOLVED IT'S BEEN A LABOUR OF LOVE. I HAVE FUNDED THE SITE SINCE THE BEGINNING PERSONALLY AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

Then why don't you remove the page and form which calls for "investors and supporters" to send you money?

Why do the associated forums and blogs look bogus. HMM, YOU GOT ME THERE. WHY DO YOU THINK THE FORUM AND BLOGS LOOK BOGUS?

Because they offer no apparent substance

Why have you only posted here twice - both times were to troll for traffic to your site? YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GC. I FOUND OUT AND CAME ALONG TO INVITE YOU TO THE SITE.

Duh

Why does gravitycontrol.org seem like another variation on an old scam designed to rip off potential investors with 'vaporware'? WHAT INVESTors?

You have a page specifically aimed at securing involvment from potential investors - what about those investors?

GC has probably been in existence since before your forum. About a year ago David came along with a theory so profound that we've spent the last six months getting his work up on the site. We are now taking David's theory to the next step which is a POP that involves hardware. Look up Alex Frolov's (Russian scientist) site and check his experimentation page for working models. He has expressed interest in creating a POP for Project Unity as have others.

Great, someone has a concept that they'd eventually like to prove, don't we all

GC is doing something about forwarding the concept of antigravity to replace oil. And you? You're not helping. I like to think that I am helping within my chosen field of interest.

You might like to check out orffyre.com - I solely support it's creation and maintenance out of my own pocket and time and, unlike some websites, you will find no pages or forms calling for "investors and supporters" to contribute money. You will, I hope, find copious useful research data on my website - which seems to be completely lacking at GC. Also, I stand behind my website by name and others can verify who I am and what I have done - I have nothing to hide. What about you?

Any other questions? Just ask.
Jim
you know where

[Jim]

I'm not in the habit of defending our site but I'm happy to offer this last bit in the hopes that it may help to renew your opinion of our integrity.
If you started GC 5 years ago, why is it listed as being created on 15-May-2002? THAT WOULD BE A RENEWAL DATE.Why will you not stand behind your website by publicly posting your name and contact details? I USED TO BUT IT ATTRACTED SO MUCH SPAM WE REPLACED IT.

Why is the domain registered to someone in China? IT WAS HONG KONG WHICH IN 1997 WAS HANDED OVER TO CHINA BY ITS FORMER BRITISH MASTERS. I SPENT MORE THAN 20 YEARS WORKING THERE.

But the website was created in 2002 SEE ABOVE - and HK is china, is it not? IT IS NOW. Why is 1997 relevant to your website? IT'S NOT. I WAS MERELY POINTING OUT THAT BEFORE CHINA HONG KONG WAS BRITISH.

Why does it's purpose seem to be focussed on targeting potential investors? ALTHOUGH WE HAD A PAYPAL ACCOUNT WE NEVER RECEIVED A DIME FOR OUR EFFORTS. FOR ALL INVOLVED IT'S BEEN A LABOUR OF LOVE. I HAVE FUNDED THE SITE SINCE THE BEGINNING PERSONALLY AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

Then why don't you remove the page and form which calls for "investors and supporters" to send you money? I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO FUND THE MOVIE OR EXPERIMENTATION. I CAN ONLY AFFORD TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING THE MESSAGE.

Why do the associated forums and blogs look bogus. HMM, YOU GOT ME THERE. WHY DO YOU THINK THE FORUM AND BLOGS LOOK BOGUS?

Because they offer no apparent substance NOW THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL ANSWER. HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ THE BLOGS AND FORUM?

Why have you only posted here twice - both times were to troll for traffic to your site? YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GC. I FOUND OUT AND CAME ALONG TO INVITE YOU TO THE SITE.

Duh ANOTHER ANSWER OF SUBSTANCE

Why does gravitycontrol.org seem like another variation on an old scam designed to rip off potential investors with 'vaporware'? WHAT INVESTors?

You have a page specifically aimed at securing involvment from potential investors - what about those investors? IF YOU KNOW ANY SEND THEM TO US. AGAIN, WE CAN ONLY SPREAD THE WORD. WE ARE HAMSTRUNG FOR CASH TO CARRY IT FURTHER. OF COURSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR INVESTMENT TO CREATE THIS NEW SYSTEM. INCIDENTALLY IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH YOUR RANT CHECK OUT GCT, NOW THERE'S A SCAM WHERE THEY GOT INVESTMENT BUT SINCE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING THEY JUST MADE A NICER WEBSITE.

GC has probably been in existence since before your forum. About a year ago David came along with a theory so profound that we've spent the last six months getting his work up on the site. We are now taking David's theory to the next step which is a POP that involves hardware. Look up Alex Frolov's (Russian scientist) site and check his experimentation page for working models. He has expressed interest in creating a POP for Project Unity as have others.

Great, someone has a concept that they'd eventually like to prove, don't we all SOME THEORIES ARE WORTH PROVING.

GC is doing something about forwarding the concept of antigravity to replace oil. And you? You're not helping. I like to think that I am helping within my chosen field of interest. AT THE MOMENT YOU'RE FIELD OF INTEREST HAS CAUSED THIS FLURRY. MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT. MAYBE IT WILL HELP.

You might like to check out orffyre.com - I solely support it's creation and maintenance out of my own pocket and time and, unlike some websites, you will find no pages or forms calling for "investors and supporters" to contribute money. THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GENERATING ANY ORIGINAL THOUGHT OR THEORY. YOU HAVE NO QUEST TO FULFILL. WE HAVE TWO, TO DEVELOP PROJECT UNITY AND TO MAKE THE MOVIE, TAKES DOUGH YOU KNOW.You will, I hope, find copious useful research data on my website - which seems to be completely lacking at GC. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVEN'T READ....SORRY, TOO LAME AN ACCUSATION TO DIGNIFY WITH A REPLY. Also, I stand behind my website by name and others can verify who I am and what I have done - I have nothing to hide. What about you? I HAVE FUNDED THE SITE THROUGH PROFIT FROM www.seehear.net. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TALL I AM SEND ME AN EMAIL. my address is published on your site.
That's it. You won't see me back here. The defence rests.
Jim

[david barclay]

I don't think this forum is about gravity at all, it's about some kind of racist crap you just can't get enough of.

I was hopeful you might ask a question or two about gravity, but you seem more interested in gettin Jim upset, when all he did was invite you to have a look at a very cool web site.

Go take a look in the mirror, because you got egg on your face.

[Techstuf]

I personally have nothing against Asians and find their way of life has taught me no small lessons regarding my own. I do business on occasion with companies in various locations in Asia, Hong Kong among them.


And my somewhat 'tongue in cheek' assertion over at the gravity control forum 'launchpad' section 4 months ago still left me wondering about possible motives regarding the site's presentation.


The Chinese/Virginia connection did raise my eyebrows a tad.


It's obvious that Gravity transduction accomplished either by solid state means or reduced mechanically, WOULD dramatically shorten timetables around the world.


These ultimately include those already quickening in pace toward conflict.


I would not be surprised at all, and would expect to have visited sites set up for the purpose of baiting potential 'traitors' to King and country. And I truly do not make implication that I am certain that Gravity Control is among them. Apprehensive....admittedly so. But more so because of my long experience with certain agencies' reaction to what they surely perceive as some sort of 'idealistic, lone loony' factor.


Hey, with six you get eggroll....(lol)


My computer has, unwillingly, played host to an appreciable amount of 'intriguing' traffic, incoming and outgoing, for years. I am sure that virtually anything some may wish to propagate could be construed to have originated with me.


We're all pawns in someone's chess game.....and one would do well to maintain their allegiance to the King who, to them, rules well.


We all know too well how greedy and powerful men will slaughter many over oil profits, land, and just about anything else.

The old:

"We'll make you a democracy if we have to kill every last one of you!"

principle.


The 'freedom' afforded by 'Free energy' just may bring the battlefield much closer to the personal doorsteps of many.


And is sure to spark a Revolution.....or several.


And it would take at least another George Washington to win it.


At this point, I'm fairly sure I couldn't 'set the world on fire' with a 'free energy time bomb' as some are so resourcefully concerned. My homes have been invaded almost as much as my computer over the years.....by some pretty 'accomplished' folk.

I am beyond such concern now.....I almost get the impression that, in the time they've had since the 'close call' of 03.....they may have warmed to the idea.....and to suit what purpose, I can only guess.

My days are numbered, I feel. If I don't 'play ball' and soon.....then I may be taking a nap while the world's power brokers enjoy their


'hour of power'


After which I hope to return, following my King....to visit, in small part, the night visitors who've long been visiting me.



GOD bless them, every one.



Mitch



P.S. http://www.missiontoisrael.org/gods-covenant-people/tableofcontents.php

http://associate.com/ministry_files/The_Reading_Room/Christian_Ethics_n_Issues_1/George_Washingtons_vision.shtml

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/sixpointedstar.html

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/297062.shtml

http://www.wake-up.org/daystar/ds1999/OCT99A.htm

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As most of humanity suffers under tyrants, misled by the devil and his cohorts who've recently been thrown down here, nothing short of Yahshua, King of Kings, will remove these oppressors and bring everlasting peace.

[AgingYoung]

Hi David, Jim and other gals,

I'd have to say 'my lady, she protests too much.'

I expressed a concern for anything associated with the chinese government and you respond:

[ovyyus]

Jim, your answers stink.

If you expect me to believe that your Whois domain registration 2002 creation date info reflects a renewal date, you're either dopey or you're lying.

If you expect me to believe that you refuse to post your verified name and contact details on your website (or here) because you don't want spam, you're either dopey or you're lying.

If you expect me to believe that the best way to raise funding for a legitimate POP and documentary is to create a website such as GC, which offers nothing but marketing slogans, you're either dopey or you're lying.

You're assertion that this is about bashing Asians is just an attempt at distraction on your part. Nice try - a bit dopey though.

Why do you refuse to verify your name, or give any reliable references to who you are or who you're affiliated with? Your excessive defense efforts do not conceal the fact that you are avoiding fundamental questions about yourself and your website, and therefore you're real purpose.

How can you defend against the obvious fact that gravitycontrol.org, and it's associated webpages, offer no basic and verifyable data in fair trade for a potential investor's/supporter's financial involvement? You can't - yet you try!

You don't come here offering discussion. Why? Someone who is passionate about gravity research, such as you say you are (50 years at it - lol), would surely want to discuss the subject. Yet all you've done is troll. I don't think you know anything about gravity research - I think the only reason you're here is to generate more traffic to your website. What else is going on?

There can only be one answer - you and your website are a scam designed to profit from unwary persons lured into giving you their money for something that will never materialize. You are a scammer.

[ken_behrendt]

Well, with all that being said let me just say that I am a "serious" student of gravity control. If I get a chance, I will return to the disputed website and see if I can find anything substantial there about the subject...


ken