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coylo
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 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject: The joy of not knowing |
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I read this article, and thought it was very relevant to this site.
Read the full article by Stuart Nolan here:
http://www.nesta.org.uk/inspireme/think_nolan.html
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| Quote: | ?Unfortunately, science often serves the purpose of actively teaching us to stop wondering about things, of causing us to lose interest.?
There is very little room for mystery in our current science teaching. But signs are that things are changing. We are coming to realise that great scientists become interested in science not because of the things we know but the things we don?t know.
?If I get to know how a trick is done, I lose my interest in it.? This is more than just appreciating the beauty of a mystery well performed. Seneca understood that knowing how something works can lessen our interest in it, but good scientists and good magicians take pleasure in both knowing and in not knowing. |
If someone does work this thing out, (what are we all gonna do with ourselves after that?) I think it would be worthwhile doing something similar that Bessler did, a few demonstrations of the device with a drum cover over it to whip up mass hysteria and wonder, and then with time release it (or patent it).
That would make for interesting times.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:04 pm Post subject: re: The joy of not knowing |
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coylo writes:
| Quote: | | If someone does work this thing out, (what are we all gonna do with ourselves after that?) |
That's an interesting question you've posed there.
Well, we can concentrate on improving Bessler design to increase its power output. We can then come up with ways to use the design to provide power where its needed and in the form its needed. And, we can use what we learn from the solution of the Bessler mystery to analyze other historical free energy mysteries. Personally, my next target, after the Bessler mystery is solved, will be to try and analyze how Asa Jackson's wheel worked. Fortunately, in its case, we still have the wheel to work with!
I disagree that today's science has explained everything. If that was the case then we would have no need for further research of any type.
Today's science still has to explain the mystery of UFOs and the paranormal. However, it has not even made the first required step by admitting that such things do, in fact, exist!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:23 am Post subject: re: The joy of not knowing |
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Bill...
Much depends upon one's definition of "substantiation". For some people the recovery of a crashed saucer and a dead alien would still not be sufficient substantiation. For others, personal sightings and the tens of thousands of reported cases on file are sufficient. I consider myself in the latter catagory.
Many orthodox scientists who have taken the time and effort to examine what evidence of the UFO phenomenon there is have become "believers".
Unfortunately, most have adopted the "It's not possible, therefore it can not exist" mentality. When asked why they hold this position, the answer usually involves argumentation revolving around the limits on velocity imposed by Einstein's Theory of Relativity, etc.
This is an unfortunate position of adopt because it supposes, a priori, that there can not exist a technology that can get around the limitations of Einsteinian relativity. The reality of the situation is, however, that WE with present day earthly technology can not get around the consequences of Einstein's theory. To assume that this would also apply to an extraterrestrial race that could be thousands of years ahead of Earth technologically makes no sense to me.
How very frustrated Bessler must have been by the scientific orthodoxy of his day that would not even grant him the courtesy of examining his wheels because they knew in advance that such devices were clearly impossible and therefore could not exist...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:59 pm Post subject: re: The joy of not knowing |
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Bill...
You provided the dictionary definition of "substantiate":
| Quote: | sub·stan·ti·ate
To support with proof or evidence; verify; to give material form to; embody; to make firm or solid; to give substance to; make real or actual. |
I would submit that the tens of thousands of witnesses who took the time to report their sightings would have to be a form of "support" that makes the UFO phenomenon "real or actual" at least subjectively. Making it real objectively will require either capturing a working craft or recovering a crashed one. Being able to duplicate such a craft based on UFO sighting reports might also be considered a way of making the phenomenon real.
I think that, for many reasons, there is a prejudice against the reality of the UFO phenomenon in the academic / scientific world which has more to do with emotions rather than logic.
If the "leaders" in these fields were to acknowledge the reality of the phenomenon, then they would have to face certain "consequences" as a result of their profession of that belief.
Firstly, they could become the subjects of ridicule by their peers and the consequent loss of status could result in problems with their employment, the obtaining of research grants, etc.
Secondly, they would have to face the fact of how very limited (and possibly flawed) our present scientific knowledge of the universe is. This awareness can be somewhat depressing for a person who prides him or herself on having a solid grasp on the finer details of the physical universe.
Thirdly, they might be held accountable for any negative social consequences that might emerge from professing such a belief. For example, if a group of recognized and respected scientists were to say that, in fact, Earth is being visited by extraterrestrial beings in technologically superior space and aircraft, then this could trigger widespread panic among the people of Earth. Governments might topple, the rates of mental illness and suicide might soar, and those scientists might then be held legally and financially responsible for these unexpected consequences.
Fourthly, of course, is the effect such a relevelation might have on the "seriously" religious of our planet. They might think that the Day of Judgement or the End of Times was at hand. The resulting upheaval might then paralyze the functions of government or the economy and throw the world into a real financial Doom's Day!
I, however, feel that, if properly handled, the acceptance of the reality of the UFO phenomenon need not interfere at all with one's beliefs. In fact, I am of the opinion that what we can learn from the UFO phenomenon could actually transform the Earth in a literally paradise! I do not think that the extraterrestrials visiting our planet are here for hostile purposes. In many of the UFO sightings I've studied, it became apparent to me that the pilots of the craft involved were actually "performing" for the human witnesses of their craft. I think they have in many cases actually given ground based human witnesses clues as to how their craft operate! They want us to be aware of their presence and curious about them.
Possibly, they do, eventually, want to have open and productive contact with humanity, but they want us to be able to meet them on a more or less equal basis. To do this we must have earthly versions of the craft they use and the capability of reaching them in space or in their star systems of origin. Like Bessler, they will not give us the secret of their marvelous devices on a silver platter. We will have to figure it out on our own.
Once this happens, I see Earth being invited to join some sort of local group of spacefaring races. Yes, I know, it sounds like Star Trek. But, perhaps, in the final analysis, we really are living in a kind of Star Trek universe!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:57 am Post subject: re: The joy of not knowing |
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Bill, then how do you prove it? Simply experiencing A and B in sequence doesn't prove causation. You must interpret the experience with reason, and this requires axioms, logic, and overall, belief in something.
Ken, the evidence I've seen indicates that people are eager to believe that UFOs and crop circles are caused by aliens, or at least that aliens exist and may be visiting. And also, that proof of aliens would have next to no religious/social implication, at least in the US, because though 86% claim to be Christian, only maybe 10% of them actually are (the rest only think they are because they don't know better).
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