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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Georg Künstler wrote:
I am lucky that I don't need financial help from anyone to build my prototypes, and can develope what I want, without restrictions.
Hello Georg,
Can you check on a prototype the engine 02 00723 in version with the magnets ?? (fig. 25-26-27)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:59 pm    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Hi Mikhail,
where can I find a discription of your prototype ?

the future has begun

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:58 am    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Hello Georg,
You can find it here: http://perpetuum.monsite.wanadoo.fr/page8.html by choosing "Moteur 02 00723" En PDF

Bonjour Georg,
Vous pouvez le trouver ici: http://perpetuum.monsite.wanadoo.fr/page8.html en choisissant "Moteur 02 00723" En PDF.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:52 pm    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Hi Mikhail,
I have studied your moteur 02 00723 . As I can see you are able to break the symmetry between left and right to achieve a constantly overbalance. Very good idea with enormous potential. Not a Besslerwheel, but a Gravity driven machine.

the future has begun

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Les principes de fonctionnement et les calculs d'un flotteur du moteur 01 11357

Le fonctionnement d'un flotteur. Ex.:



Nous fabriquons le flotteur (de volume variable) de telle façon, qu'en état du volume minimal il pèse 10 kg SOUS l'EAU, et en état de volume maximum il pèse moins que l'eau (-)10 kg, pour qu'il émerge ver la surface. Par ex., si son poids est = 110 kg, son volume est = 100 litres en son état de volume min. et 120 litres dans l'état du volume max..
La flotteur est hermétique, à l'intérieur se trouve l'air et son mécanisme, par ex.:



Le mécanisme comprend la masse (n'importe quelle masse en béton par ex. ou un volume remplie de sable), qui est fixée au bout d'un bras de levier. Dedans se trouvent les (ou le) ressorts à gaz, et le piston. Le ressort à gaz c'est un cylindre avec le piston, rempli par l'azote sous la pression. Les ressorts à gaz, par ex. sont utilisés dans les automobiles pour le maintien de la portière arrière (ou de capot), qui s'ouvre de bas en haut.
La flotteur se trouve sous l'eau, par ex. à la profondeur 3 m, le piston tourné ver le haut, comme montré sur le dessin:



Nous analysons que se passe :
La masse (par ex. d'un poids = 100 kg) se déplacera ver le bas, elle déplacera (attirera à l'intérieur) le piston, en diminuant le volume du flotteur et en comprimant les ressorts à gaz (auxquels nous stockons l'énergie potentielle).
A la profondeur 3 m la pression de l'eau = 0,3 kg /cm². Cette pression agit sur le piston avec la force, proportionnelle a la surfasse du piston. Si la surfasse du piston = 800 cm², l'eau à la profondeur de 3 m agira sur le piston par la force de : 800 * 0,3 = 240 kg. Au bout de bras du levier on aura 240/2 = 120 kg. Si les ressorts à gaz se trouvent au bout du levier, sur les ressorts on auras le poids de la masse (100 kg) et la force de 120 kg, provenant du piston. Au bout de bras du levier on auras : 100 + 120 = 220 kg. Nous choisissons les ressorts à gaz d'une force de poussée = 220 kg.

La flotteur diminue son volume, son poids sous l'eau devient = 10 kg et il cule ver le fond. Admettons que la profondeur de la pissine est = 8 m. Le flotteur passe de la profondeur de 3 m jusqu'à la profondeur de 8 m. Chemin parcourus = 5 m.

Admettons que la hauteur du flotteur permet à la masse de se déplacer à la distance = 50 cm.
Le parcours de la masse = 50 cm. Puisque le piston est poussée par le milieu du levier, il passera la distance 50/2 = 25 cm. La surfasse du piston = 800 cm² * 25 cm = 20 000 cm.cube = 20 litres. Le déplacement du piston à diminué le volume du flotteur à 20 litres.
Pour un poids de 110 kg et le volume (du flotteur sous l'eau) de 100 litres, son poids (sous l'eau) est = 10 kg. Le flotteur de 10 kg "tombe" d'une hauteur des 5 m (sous l'effet de la gravitation).
Le flotteur a "tombé" (coulé) à la profondeur de 8 m. La masse à l'intérieur du flotteur se trouve en bas, le piston est déplacé (est attiré) à l'intérieur.

Maintenant nous retournons le flotteur à 180 °. Pour cela on doit lever un poids de 10 kg à la hauteur de 50 cm (le flotteur pèse sous l'eau 10 kg, la masse se trouve en bas) pour que la masse passe au dessus. Le parcourt de la masse = 50 cm.
Le flotteur se retrouvera dans cette position :



La gravitation et les ressorts à gaz (ils rendront l'énergie accumulé) déplaceront la masse ver le bas, pousseront le piston ver le bas (de l'intérieur ver l'extérieur), ayant augmenté le volume du flotteur de 20 litres. Maintenant le flotteur est plus léger que l'eau, il pèse sous l'eau (-)10 kg et va monter ver le haut, ver la profondeur de 3 m, là on l'arrête.

Le flotteur, "en tombant" de la hauteur de 5 m produit l'énergie et pour le retourner, il faut aussi dépenser l'énergie. C.t.d., le flotteur (10 kg) "tombait" d'une hauteur de 5 m et pour le retourner, il faut le lever (son poids de 10 kg en le retournant) à une hauteur de 50 cm.
D'ici : 5 m - 0,5 m = 4,5 m - la distance, sur la quelle le flotteur produit l'énergie.
L'énergie ne dépend pas de la trajectoire, mais seulement de la hauteur.
Au dessus (à la profondeur 3 m) il faut le retourné de nouveau, en dépensant la même quantité d'énergie que en bas, et il coule, etc.

Pour que les flotteurs se retournent elles-mêmes et pour augmenter la puissance de système, nous fixons les flotteurs à une chaîne (ou les chaînes), qui contournent les roues et les flotteurs se retournent, en contournant les roues.
Par ex. comme ça :
(le schéma)



Les flotteurs se retournent à 180 ° en haut et à 180 ° en bas, en contournant les roues et ils produisent le travail utile (l'énergie) en descendant (en coulant) et en remontant (en flottant ver le haut).
C'est tout.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

All knowing Georg has given Mikhail his stamp of approval. Therefore it must work! Ok guys.. Put the tools back in the toolbox, uninstall WM2D... The search is over... NOT! LOL!



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Énergie 100% propre. Free energy.

The operation of a float of the engine 01 11357

The operation of a float. Ex.:



We manufacture the float (variable volume) in such way, that in state of minimal volume it weighs 10 kg UNDER WATER, and in a maximum state of volume it weighs less than water (-)10 kg, so that it emerges worm surface. Ex., if its weight is = 110 kg, its volume is = 100 liters in a its state of min. volume and 120 liters in the state of max. volume.
The float is hermetic, inside is the air and its mechanism, by ex.:



The mechanism includes/understands the mass (any concrete mass e.g. or a volume filled with sand), which is fixed at the end of an arm of lever. Inside are them (or it) springs with gas, and the piston. The spring with gas it is a cylinder with the piston, filled by nitrogen under the pressure. The springs with gas, e.g. are used in the cars for the maintenance of the back door (or of cap), which opens upwards.
The float is under water, e.g. with the depth 3 m, the piston turned worm the top, as shown on the drawing:



We analyze that happens: The mass (e.g. of a weight = 100 kg) will move worm bottom, it will move (will attract inside) the piston, by decreasing the volume of the float and by compressing the springs with gas (to which we store the potential energy).
With the depth 3 m the pressure of water = 0,3 kg /cm². This pressure operate the piston with the force, proportional A overrates it piston. If piston overrates it = 800 cm², water with the 3 m depth will operate the piston by the force of: 800 * 0,3 = 240 kg. At the end of arm of the lever one will have 240/2 = 120 kg. If the springs with gas are at the end of the lever, on the springs one will have the weight of the mass (100 kg) and forces it of 120 kg, coming from the piston. At the end of arm of the lever one will have: 100 + 120 = 220 kg. We choose the springs with gas of a force of thorough = 220 kg.
The float decreases its volume, its weight under water becomes = 10 kg and it cule worm the bottom. Let us admit that the depth of the pissine is = 8 m. The float passes from the 3 m depth until the depth of 8 Mr. Chemin traversed = 5 m.
Let us admit that the height of the float makes it possible the mass to move at the distance = 50 cm. The course of the mass = 50 cm. Since the piston is pushed by the medium of the lever, it will pass the distance 50/2 = 25 cm. Piston = 800 cm² overrates * 25 cm = 20 000 cm.cube = 20 liters. The displacement of the piston with decreased the volume of the float to 20 liters. For a weight of 110 kg and the volume (of the float under water) of 100 liters, its weight (under water) is = 10 kg. The float of 10 kg "falls" from a 5 m height (under the effect of the gravitation). The float "fell" (run) to the depth 8 m. The mass inside the float is in bottom, the piston is moved (is attracted) inside.
Now we turn over the float to 180 °. For that one must raise a weight of 10 kg to the 50 cm height (the float weighs under water 10 kg, the mass is in bottom) so that the mass passes to the top. Mass = 50 cm traverse. The float will be found in this position:



The gravitation and the springs with gas (they will return energy accumulated) will move the mass worm bottom, will push the piston worm bottom (interior worm outside), having increased the volume of the float by 20 liters. Maintaining the float is lighter than water, it weighs under water (-)10 kg and will assemble worm the top, worm depth the 3 m, there one stops it.
The float, "while falling" from the 5 m height produces energy and to turn over it, it is also necessary to spend energy. C.t.d., the float (10 kg)"fell" from a 5 m height and to turn over it, it should be raised (its weight of 10 kg while turning over it) to a 50 cm height.
From here: 5 m - 0,5 m = 4,5 m - the distance, on the which float produces energy. Energy does not depend on the trajectory, but only on the height. For the top (with the depth 3 m) it is necessary turned over again, while spending the same quantity of energy that in bottom, and it runs, etc.
So that the floats are turned over themselves and to increase the power of system, we fix the floats at a chain (or chains), which circumvent the wheels and the floats are turned over, by circumventing the wheels.
Ex. like that: (the diagram)



The floats are turned over to 180 ° in top and to 180 ° in bottom, by circumventing the wheels and they produces useful work (energy) while going down (while running) and while going up (while floating worm top).

Calculation of engine 01 11357 (exemple).

It is considered, that the wheel axle sup. is on the level of overrates water, and one selected the weight of mass.
Ex. one selected the weight of the mass = 100 kg.
Ex. the distance enters the axes of the wheels = 5 m.
From here, the pressure has the depth 5 m = 0.5 kg/cm². (to include/understand, to see the point "D", diagram).
From (for this depth) we calculate the surface of the piston, in not do not forget that one with the springs has gases, which are compress (the spring has gas were compressed by the mass, when the float this found in top, of dimension right, on the level of the wheel axle sup.).

To counter the pressure of water the 5 m depth there is lays out:
100 kgf (weight of the mass) + 100 kgf (the force of pushed springs has gas) = 200 kgf (this force is at the end of the lever).
Holding account that the piston is thorough (worm outside) by the medium of the lever, the force is multiplied by 2: 200 kgf X 2 = 400 kgf.

Since the distance enters the axes = 5 m and to the pressure of water to the 5 m depth = 0.5 kg/cm², consequently:
- 400 kgf/0.5 kg/cm² = 800 cm² (piston overrates it).
From here one calculates coefficient 800/100 = 8. (it is for the convenience, it is easier to make calculate them more detailed with him).

Now, that one found the surface of the piston, one makes the correction for the depth, to which this finds the engine.
The engine is under water, the higher axis this finds with the 3 m depth by ex.
From here: - the pressure has the 3 m depth = of 0.3 kg/cm² (not "B" fig. 1).
We lay out of this pressure on the piston with the point "B" and it will produce the force of thorough on the piston of 800 cm² (the surface of piston) X 0.3 kg/cm² (pressure of water) = 240 kgf. Since this force is applied to the medium of the lever, then, at its end we will obtain: 240/2 = 120 kgf, which is added to the force, which comes from the mass, weighing 100 kilogrammes (fig. 1 point "B").
On the springs with gas there will be (to compress them) the force of 100 kgf (weight of the mass) + 120 kgf (coming from the pressure) = 220 kgf, which one will store in the springs with gas (the force of propulsion, that one will use, when the float moves at the point "D").

The distance between the axes = 5 m, that means that the lower axis this finds with the depth: 3 m + 5 m = 8 m. With this depth (not "D" fig. 1) pressure = 0.8 kg/cm². The piston of 800 cm² operates the force, causes by the pressure of water (0.8 kg/cm²).
800 (piston overrates it) X 0.8 (pressure of water) = 640 kgf This force operate the piston of outside worm the interior.

Now let us look at the force on the side opposite of piston:
- 100 kg - the weight of the mass.
- 220 kg - the force of propulsion of the springs.
Total: 100 kgf + 220 kgf = 320 kgf. This force acts on the end of the lever. In the medium of the lever (and on the piston) one will have 320 X 2 = 640 kgf.

The forces of propulsion are identical on two sides of the piston (outside and interior).
One little to leave like that. In this case in high A right (not "B") the piston will move worm the lower interior (increases the pressure of water in connection with the increase depth), and in bottom left it has will move worm outside above point "D"; (the pressure of water will decrease).

But one little also to increase the weight of the masses with 5-10-20... kg to calculate these weights it is necessary to hold account, primarily, of the losses for frictions, which comes from the springs with gas.

It is all.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Mikhail wrote:
I have destroyed the model right after the test.

I think that's stupid...but that's just my opinion.



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:49 am    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

ME wrote:
I think that's stupid...but that's just my opinion.

I have been compelled to destroy the invention in order to prevent larceny.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Recherches et energies

http://totokoma.ifrance.com/


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Looks like a French site under construction that features many different proposed "Free Energy" devices... Denis Lee, Lutec, Gray, Flynn, Bedini etc. But they stick it all on one page with LOTS of pictures. With over 240 items to load my poor dial-up can't handle it and quits loading pictures after about five minutes.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:53 pm    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Would someone who can read French and has DSL please click the link. Is there anything of value on this site other than the 242+ plus pictures on the front page. They are interesting. I am just getting music when I click the other parts at the top of the page.

Jim - interesting link...Good catch.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: re: The origin of the GRAVITATION. Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Dial up members! suggest you forget. http://totokoma.ifrance.com/

It is a lengthy download even for my DSL! and most of what is shown is just a collection of magnetic motors that have been around for years.

Nothing here for the gravity wheel boys, and if you are into magnets you probably have already seen what is posted. I have had personal contact by phone with two of the inventors, both of which is now deceased. Some of these pictures go back to the 1970's. If there was anything to them, I am sure that it would have been on the market by now.

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