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The Mysterious 'A' Symbol on MT Drawings

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I was wondering if this mysterious 'A' that Bessler made on his drawings had any relation to the '1717' cover signature...?

What I found could be mush more than a coinsidence:
  • On June 24th, 1717, the first Grand Lodge of Masonry was formed in London. It was on that day that Freemasonry, all unexpectedly, started on its world mission...

    Lead by Desaguliers - the intimate of the illustrious Sir Isaac Newton.

    One of Freemasons principal symbols is the square and Compasses, tools of the trade, so arranged as to form a quadrilateral: Very similar to the 'A' on JB's drawings.
And maybe JB's 'Little Book' was an attempt to demonstrate that this newborn Masonry doctrines were wrong.

Just a thought
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This has been discussed a bit before. In DT he had some portraits of himself and these arrangements were in these also. Do a search on the sight for these, it is interesting. So much info, yet not enough...it seems.
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Here's where we first talked about the 'A's on the old forum:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/messages/1859.html

and here's a follow up post I made on the new forum where we talked about the 'A's and possible links to Freemasonry:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=198

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Dear Ruggerodk,
This is not mysterious.
This is a mechanism invented by Watt
See the image hereafter.
This explains why after a first phase of acceleration, the speed of the Bessler wheel will be limited (the weights can't pass through the rim!).
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Thank you bluesgtr44 and Stewart,...I'll try to look at the links provided.

path_finder:
LOL - cross an axle through the middle of a tube and one might wonder why the ballweight will stop inside the tube..?
Where did you find that Watt experiment?

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Ruggero,

As you correctly point out, the year 1717 is accepted by die Freimaureriei as being the beginning of the modern, organized part of "the craft".

Just for beginners, in the Weissenstein engraveings - if those two verticals holding the pendulum bearing do not represent The Twin Pillars of Boaz, I'll eat my hat, and some crow too!

According to what I have found out, Hesse-Kassel was a hotbed of Masonry, and later on, at the hands of Karls offspring, going really wicked and suspect regarding it. Theirs was a Protestant state, and as such was necessaarily at odds to degrees, with those Catholic, and to the Illuminized masonry, that meant bringing it down!

Of course, it was after Bessler and Karl's time, but the famous grand conclave that happened between the Masons and Weishaupt's Illuminati, took place in Hesse-Kassel. I forget the name of the town, but it is famous in the lore and legend of this fascinating aspect of this whole history.

That genius organizer of systems and persons, Baron von Knigge, was also tied-in with the story there, later. Much more research in this area is needed so as to paint a more-or-less complete picture.

In the big portrait of Karl and his family, one wise might look out for masonic poses affected, by some of the younger wild hares of the bunch.

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Dear Ruggero,
You will find the whole explanation by our friend 'wiki':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_governor
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Dear Path_Finder

That was an interesting link...thanks.

But you still lost me on this: "(the weights can't pass through the rim!)"

What 'rim' are we playing with here? The wheel?

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Dear Ruggero,
If the speed increases, the arms will expand more and more, until the weights (at the end of the arms) reach the inner side of the wheel.
Here is the physical limitation of the course.
If the rim don't exist at all (if the wheel consists only in to circular plates), after a certain speed you will see the arms outsourcing of the wheel.
But is was not the case with BW, as the external surface of the cylindrical wheel was present and the widnesses heart the weights knocking against the rim.
I cannot imagine why nobody though on this before, including myself? It is so simple!...
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As Hans and I once discussed, the A symbols may be different because Bessler had different engravers (2 or 3) making the woodcuts at different times and each had a different style of lettering!
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The drop bar A's [with the ..v.. bar] appear alongside the ordinary A's in Bessler’s MT treatise - sometimes both types appear in the same drawings – it is difficult [for me] to find a pattern in their placement or for anyone to guess why both types appear in the same drawing, unless you conclude by purposeful design.

There is little doubt in my mind that it is a strong clue & not of a random nature - there is no need to mix them up, particularly in the same woodcut engraving - Bessler engraved his own plates so a repeated mistake is unlikely - we are creatures of habit so once a writing style is learnt it is difficult to change on a whim unless done purposefully & coincidence is not an option with Bessler – MT was to be the culmination of his life’s work, a record for posterity as well as a scientific text for his planned school of mechanics so accuracy would have been important.

Stewart makes the point that he found a drop A in part of an old drawing about alchemy [follow his link a little earlier & reproduced below], describing the elements of fire, earth, water, air - vegetable, mineral, animal - etc [i.e. the three kingdoms & their constituent elementals] & that it was part of the symbolism of the alchemists – they were known to work into their drawings complex geometric messages as well as symbolic ones - some of these alchemists would most certainly also have been Freemasons - and it looks like Karl, Bessler's patron, was a Freemason but Bessler was excluded, but he was an alchemist - additionally we know Newton & Desaguliers were [both overt detractors of Bessler], so perhaps Bessler couldn’t resist rubbing it in right under their noses when all was later to be revealed ?

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... =2211#2211

While it has been postulated that the drop A’s were a hint at a code, possibly derived from Hebrew or Jewish connections after Bessler had formed a friendship with a rabbi friend in Prague & where he learnt the ‘atabash code’ for instance, & that may have a degree of truth to it; I think it more likely that the drop A’s were a direct & pointed connection to the alchemists & their multi-level inner geometry & symbolism messages – i.e. as related to Bessler’s inner mechanism contained in his wheels – it may well have related in a straight forward way to the method of overbalancing he used in some previous examples of his wheels ?!

N.B. when taken at face value the drop A has a direct physical appearance to both the scissor mech & the hammer men pantographs/parallelograms of the toy page, which we know Bessler supplanted in his MT treatise to probably replace the ‘tell all’ drawings he removed & burned or buried – as a side note & further speculation, they have a curiously similar action to imagined folding X’s & we know they were peppered all thru AP, an earlier work.

So, the drop A’s whilst could at one level be a hard to decipher code it is more likely IMO that they are a literal physical description of part of Bessler’s mechanism – the interesting thing about pantographs & parallelograms is that with their deployment they change geometry – take the scissor for example, it gets narrower while elongating & visa versa - the drop A could represent just one section of that same basic action – the action is also a type of rudimentary gearing or leverage arrangement where work done equals force times distance moved – while there is no magic there in & of itself it could hint nonetheless at fundamental basic method, popular of his period, to shift something around within a wheel that was both reasonably robust & reliable – it certainly probably was simpler to use & construct than linear gears or ropes & pulleys which have their own engineering weaknesses to contend with that a long duration test might subject them too.
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