The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN HERE to appraise...
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I find a bit of inpatients here. raj; this out of the blue post, made no more scents than a dog running off because he didn't get his dish filled enough. You are obvious new at the game and you have allot to learn and the first lesson should be patients.raj wrote:You ALL call yourselves BIG SHOTS in gravity wheels and perpetual motion machines, studying, analysing and pretending to know more than anybody else on Bessler's so-called famous wheel and the hundreds of other and own designs that you all refer to, continuously, in this forum.
I INVITED you all to comment on my gravity wheel, having done more that anybody on this forum, by unashamedly, disclosing my complete concept with drawings and description on how it works.
And you all found NOTHING to say.
I can only guess the reason of your silence.
I thank all for letting me on this forum for a few days.
THIS IS my last post.
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So With out a dream, there is no vision.
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So With out a dream, there is no vision.
Old and future wheel videos
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Alan
re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
Well he certainly does not appear to be a 'newbie' that I would be interested in tutoring the basics.
As with most he is stuck with two choices, either he builds it or pays some one else to build it for him. It is obvious that will be the only way he will understand not getting any positive results on this forum.
@ raj,
Your concept will not work! and I believe you will find that to be positive input!
Ralph
As with most he is stuck with two choices, either he builds it or pays some one else to build it for him. It is obvious that will be the only way he will understand not getting any positive results on this forum.
@ raj,
Your concept will not work! and I believe you will find that to be positive input!
Ralph
re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
Well I am back to retort!
As I have already said, I am not a NEWBIE. I am working/ designing concept Perpetual motion machines since the 1970s, well before I heard about Baskara, or Bessler and their wheels. It has been a continuous search all that time, with hundreds of sketches and drawings, none of which made me happy up til now with UGW.
I do not believe that building a machine is the only way to prove that it works. If a machine is working, there won't be any need to prove anything.
After all those years, it is the first time, that I feel or should say I am convinced that my Universal Gravity Wheel is a very good concept.
I came to this forum to get a second opinion, ( as I do not have people around me who are interested in this), but all of you keep reminding that I should build one working device, then you can give your opinion.
I wonder if Einstein had to build a working machine to prove his concept/ theorem that e=mc2, whether he could have built one to prove his concept.
My UGW concept is simplicity itself.
There are not many forces acting on it, apart from gravity.
There are only two motions and questions involved here: 1. Will UGW rotate or not ? and 2. will the weights swing from the ascending position to the 3 o'clock position on the descending side and get hooked there, taking into account every details that given in my drawings and description.
I came to this forum of experts just to get answers to these two questions.
I am very disappointed to see answers not forthcoming.
Finally I am only interested in the theory of my concept, not the machine.
The machine can wait for whoever wants to build it.
As I have already said, I am not a NEWBIE. I am working/ designing concept Perpetual motion machines since the 1970s, well before I heard about Baskara, or Bessler and their wheels. It has been a continuous search all that time, with hundreds of sketches and drawings, none of which made me happy up til now with UGW.
I do not believe that building a machine is the only way to prove that it works. If a machine is working, there won't be any need to prove anything.
After all those years, it is the first time, that I feel or should say I am convinced that my Universal Gravity Wheel is a very good concept.
I came to this forum to get a second opinion, ( as I do not have people around me who are interested in this), but all of you keep reminding that I should build one working device, then you can give your opinion.
I wonder if Einstein had to build a working machine to prove his concept/ theorem that e=mc2, whether he could have built one to prove his concept.
My UGW concept is simplicity itself.
There are not many forces acting on it, apart from gravity.
There are only two motions and questions involved here: 1. Will UGW rotate or not ? and 2. will the weights swing from the ascending position to the 3 o'clock position on the descending side and get hooked there, taking into account every details that given in my drawings and description.
I came to this forum of experts just to get answers to these two questions.
I am very disappointed to see answers not forthcoming.
Finally I am only interested in the theory of my concept, not the machine.
The machine can wait for whoever wants to build it.
re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
Raj wrote "Finally I am only interested in the theory of my concept, not the machine.
The machine can wait for whoever wants to build it."
Raj, I, like many others here have had many theoretical rotating systems that work solely in ones head. But sadly, this subject is not as simple as that, and a physical build will be the only real proof.
Theories are great. they can do what ever you want them to do.
PROOF! is the only answer science is interested in.
I wish you luck because I think you will need alot of it with this concept.
Lord knows, my theories have been shot down in flames a few times.
It's the nature of the business.
Kas
The machine can wait for whoever wants to build it."
Raj, I, like many others here have had many theoretical rotating systems that work solely in ones head. But sadly, this subject is not as simple as that, and a physical build will be the only real proof.
Theories are great. they can do what ever you want them to do.
PROOF! is the only answer science is interested in.
I wish you luck because I think you will need alot of it with this concept.
Lord knows, my theories have been shot down in flames a few times.
It's the nature of the business.
Kas
“We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up until now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future.�
Quote By Max Planck father of Quantum physics 1858 - 1947
Quote By Max Planck father of Quantum physics 1858 - 1947
re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
Kas, I keep thanking you all sincerely every time I read all your contributions in here.
But I am desperately waiting for all of you, your anwers to my two straight forward questions, giving a very brief reason as to why you think so.
As per details given in drawings and description:
1. Will UGW rotate or not? and why you think so?
2. Will the ascending weight swing, following UGW rotation, and get caught on the hook on the descending side of UGW.
I just cannot understands why you are all evading to answer these questions, instead of beating about the bush.
Are these two questions too much to ask? I was under the impression that well informed logics was sufficient. This is what I am using, and I sincerely believe that my UGW will rotate and thw weight will swing and get caught on the hook as described.
What you all say?
But I am desperately waiting for all of you, your anwers to my two straight forward questions, giving a very brief reason as to why you think so.
As per details given in drawings and description:
1. Will UGW rotate or not? and why you think so?
2. Will the ascending weight swing, following UGW rotation, and get caught on the hook on the descending side of UGW.
I just cannot understands why you are all evading to answer these questions, instead of beating about the bush.
Are these two questions too much to ask? I was under the impression that well informed logics was sufficient. This is what I am using, and I sincerely believe that my UGW will rotate and thw weight will swing and get caught on the hook as described.
What you all say?
re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
There is , to some extent a hierarchy on this forum . There are people far better educated than I am. And probably a few who are less so . I have respect for both types. I believe that in the final analysis there can only be one kind of expert in this field. The expert is the person who has a working wheel and shows it . Until that day , we are all equal , and in the eyes of the world equally deluded. There are people on here who could come up with all the mathematical equations to prove that it is possible to ride and steer a unicycle. It may be possible to show a computer simulation. But the real proof is to see a person ride a unicycle. Remember that it took an innocent uneducated child to point out that the Emperor, far from having exotic clothes was in fact naked. When the chips are down , there is only one guy you can rely on . That guy is YOU. You are going to have to build it . Sorry if you find this offensive . Did you want the truth or something beautiful ?
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re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
Dear raj,
I cannot answer to your questions so long any practical realization has been built using your idea.
IMHO the secret is not only in the principle but almost in the building.
Almost people on the earth believe that an idea is just sufficient and then the technicians will be able to implement further the idea.
How long the 'homo sapiens' was sitting along the river before the first waterwheel has been effectively used for milling the corn?
They are several principles available for the motion, single or in association (geometrical arrangement, centrifugal, momentum exchange, coriolis, 3D rotation, gravity reduction, etc).
For the same principle they are numerous possible designs (size, number of weights, mutual position, linkages, timing, etc)
For the same design they are numerous mechanical ways for the building (rods, ropes, pulleys, gears, springs, etc)
The people cannot imagine how the building phase is the most difficult step before the success (rigidity, balance of the whole assembly, shocks from the rotation, frictions, etc). Remember the time needed for fixing the same kind of problems with the steam engines.
Solving the problems step by step can only drive you someday to reach the nirvana, but certainly not at the principle level.
And if you wait on the other people for doing the job at your place you will be here on this forum with a white beard.
I apologize to be so hard but it's my personal conviction.
I cannot answer to your questions so long any practical realization has been built using your idea.
IMHO the secret is not only in the principle but almost in the building.
Almost people on the earth believe that an idea is just sufficient and then the technicians will be able to implement further the idea.
How long the 'homo sapiens' was sitting along the river before the first waterwheel has been effectively used for milling the corn?
They are several principles available for the motion, single or in association (geometrical arrangement, centrifugal, momentum exchange, coriolis, 3D rotation, gravity reduction, etc).
For the same principle they are numerous possible designs (size, number of weights, mutual position, linkages, timing, etc)
For the same design they are numerous mechanical ways for the building (rods, ropes, pulleys, gears, springs, etc)
The people cannot imagine how the building phase is the most difficult step before the success (rigidity, balance of the whole assembly, shocks from the rotation, frictions, etc). Remember the time needed for fixing the same kind of problems with the steam engines.
Solving the problems step by step can only drive you someday to reach the nirvana, but certainly not at the principle level.
And if you wait on the other people for doing the job at your place you will be here on this forum with a white beard.
I apologize to be so hard but it's my personal conviction.
I cannot imagine why nobody though on this before, including myself? It is so simple!...
re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
First, thanks for the offensive remarks to everyone on this forum. Great way to elicit responses. I'm only replying because I had read your patent for your pump, but just because you have a patent and have worked on PM research since 1970 doesn't make YOU an expert. In fact, without success since 1970 I would think that makes you a bit of a failure?1. Will UGW rotate or not? and why you think so?
2. Will the ascending weight swing, following UGW rotation, and get caught on the hook on the descending side of UGW.
Answering your questions without building your specific design means relying on our own experiences, but ultimately is still opinion so is no substitution for building. Here goes using your first image as reference:
1) the wheel will start to turn CW but will not have enough momentum to get to the proper angle for the left side weight to start swinging, therefore it won't be able to apply it's force to the rim via the rope in the hopes of carrying it to the other side to latch.
2) even if there was enough momentum each turn, I believe your latch system is prone to timing failures. A weight might get caught one cycle ok, then another it may get there too soon or too late to latch, as the speed of the wheel changed.
Now I may be wrong and/or you may disagree, but I answered your specific questions. I also believe that others have indirectly answered them as well. Now what?
Last edited by Ed on Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.
re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
I am sorry to note a beating about the bush again.
My two questions are in plain language. They warrant plain answers.
Say for example, I come up with a new idea, that when I put one kilometer diameter wheel on a horizon axle, and fixed a 100-tons weight at the 3 o'clock position on the rim of the wheel, and I ask your distinguished members of this forum to tell me if the wheel will rotate or not and why, the last thing I would not sincerely expect them to tell, is to go and built your wheel to find out.
My informed logics tells me that this wheel will turn, but come to stop at the equilibrium point at the 6 o'clock position.
But the reason for asking this question, is only because of the strangeness of the wheel's size, which can be only be theoritical in my concept.
They either can' t or won't answer the question. They just have to tell me so.
And I'll go away, while thanking them for their effort and precious time.
My two questions are in plain language. They warrant plain answers.
Say for example, I come up with a new idea, that when I put one kilometer diameter wheel on a horizon axle, and fixed a 100-tons weight at the 3 o'clock position on the rim of the wheel, and I ask your distinguished members of this forum to tell me if the wheel will rotate or not and why, the last thing I would not sincerely expect them to tell, is to go and built your wheel to find out.
My informed logics tells me that this wheel will turn, but come to stop at the equilibrium point at the 6 o'clock position.
But the reason for asking this question, is only because of the strangeness of the wheel's size, which can be only be theoritical in my concept.
They either can' t or won't answer the question. They just have to tell me so.
And I'll go away, while thanking them for their effort and precious time.
re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
Thank you very, very much good Ed. Thank you for your frank opinion, for this is the only request I have been humbly making.
I have never asked for opinion to certify that my concept works.
I sincere, wish that some more of you, would do me the favour to kindly let me know what they think of the UGW concept.
Ed, thank you once again for your answers to my questions. They reinforces my conviction.
I have never asked for opinion to certify that my concept works.
I sincere, wish that some more of you, would do me the favour to kindly let me know what they think of the UGW concept.
Ed, thank you once again for your answers to my questions. They reinforces my conviction.
Dang Raj, you are a weird one.
You ask for our opinions about your wheel concept then you get angry because you don't like our opinions. Then you state that you never asked for opinions to certify that your concept works. You complain that we tell you to build it, as that is the only way to prove for sure if a concept works. Then you mention that it is 100 ton and therefore you can't build it.
Dang Raj, you are a weird one.
You ask for our opinions about your wheel concept then you get angry because you don't like our opinions. Then you state that you never asked for opinions to certify that your concept works. You complain that we tell you to build it, as that is the only way to prove for sure if a concept works. Then you mention that it is 100 ton and therefore you can't build it.
Dang Raj, you are a weird one.
re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
Thank you to all of you.
I think that we had a problem of communication, talking cross-purpose.
But all-in-all, I have gained some very good answers to my questions, from one or two of you.
And I am very happy to have spent some time in your forum.
Goodbye
Adieu mes amis.
I think that we had a problem of communication, talking cross-purpose.
But all-in-all, I have gained some very good answers to my questions, from one or two of you.
And I am very happy to have spent some time in your forum.
Goodbye
Adieu mes amis.
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re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
Lol, this is great!
Some random guy comes here, with absolutely no intent in listening to our opinions, and he claims he wants us to give opinions on his failure.
UH?! ..
A patent .. for a drawing!? .. WOW ..
It's a sad world my friends...
Some random guy comes here, with absolutely no intent in listening to our opinions, and he claims he wants us to give opinions on his failure.
UH?! ..
A patent .. for a drawing!? .. WOW ..
It's a sad world my friends...
re: The Universal Gravity Wheel I promised you all, is IN H
raj
I am glad you didn't run off. And I know you are looking for that one response that may clear up the mind block (like writers block) so you can continue on your quest ( you also receive some responses ). The answer you seek is in the building and testing the wheels. But the fellowship of talking to others on the same quest always have moments that help us on different outlooks. And of course to know, "You are not alone". The best advice I can give is don't push, but keep an open mind. And don't think you have it until you truly have it.
You ended with.
Adieu mes amis; means "Goodbye, my friends, I am off to glory!"
I am glad you didn't run off. And I know you are looking for that one response that may clear up the mind block (like writers block) so you can continue on your quest ( you also receive some responses ). The answer you seek is in the building and testing the wheels. But the fellowship of talking to others on the same quest always have moments that help us on different outlooks. And of course to know, "You are not alone". The best advice I can give is don't push, but keep an open mind. And don't think you have it until you truly have it.
You ended with.
Adieu mes amis; means "Goodbye, my friends, I am off to glory!"
"Our education can be the limitation to our imagination, and our dreams"
So With out a dream, there is no vision.
Old and future wheel videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos
Alan
So With out a dream, there is no vision.
Old and future wheel videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos
Alan