The solution of Besslerwheels is Bipedalism

[Denker]

Hi @all

I submit you the operating principle ( Principium motus Perpetui Mechanici ) of the Besslerwheels
is copied by nature

Bessler wrote in Triumphans, page 2:

Es sey die Ursach solcher so langwierigen Inexaction obgedachten hochangelegenen Vorhabens weder in menschlichem Fleisse/ noch in einer insuffisance Mathematischer auflöse Kunst/ sondern bey der Natur selbst/ und bey ihren in Ewigkeit ohnhindertreiblichen Gesezen zu suchen und zu finden/ besage mehr als einer deßwegen an den Tag gelegten Mathematischen Apodixi.

Important is only the red text:
bey der Natur selbst. by nature itself.


Where in nature we can find mechanic and movement ?
right, a human !
a walking human is the key to understand the wheels...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipedalism

Take a look to the portrait:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... essler.jpg

what can you see ? what shows Orffyreus with his left hand ?
the hand is crawling over the table, like a walking human.


If you are interested, I have some more hints...
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Greetings from Germany
Sandro

[LustInBlack]

There have been a thousand solutions to bessler wheel on this forum, yet, no running wheel.. ;)

[daxwc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombard%27s_Paradox

[path_finder]

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Gra ... index.html

[DrWhat]

http://biomech.media.mit.edu/publicatio ... OS2006.pdf

Give it a moment to load.

[Denker]

Passive-dynamic-walker are important to understand the Principium:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_dynamics

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/robotics-ce ... lins05.pdf

[rlortie]

Denker,

I was not aware of this thread! for some unknown reason, it does not show up on my index page. Something to approach in the Tech section.

After your recent contact I checked your profile and list of postings. That information lead me here.

First I would like to welcome you to the forum and the possible renewal of communications past.

As viewed in my discussions with Denis, you will find that I am one member highly interested in Bipedalism. A concept possibly employed in both the 'Asa Jackson' and Bessler's machines.

Ralph

[iacob alex]

Hi Sandro!

I agree with you: "...a walking human is the key to understand...".

Two legs/bipedalism is an adequate ("sufficient") suggestion to imagine the "minimal wheel"/two spokes only.

But ,it's not the only "key"...

Anyway,back to basics/Archimedes seems to be a good step.

All the best! / Alex

[greendoor]

Each of us evaluates the possibility of a working principle in their own way, using whatever words and ideas they have assimilated. I happen to think 'bi-pedalism' might be on the right track - and here is my personal thought process that works for me:

A human is basically a balanced heavy mass. When we walk, we intentionally put ourselves out of balance slightly. Sure - we expend fuel to exert the necessary muscle energy to lift and shift our leg. But we are only lifting and shifting our leg, not our whole body. This - IMO - is the essence of the Pequaide/Atwood effect - the overbalancing of a larger balanced system with a smaller mass.

From that position, we are now able to 'fall forward'. The force of gravity can flow into this system. In practice, the torso does fall, lowering the COG. But then the elasticity of the muscles retrieves some of the gained energy, and a running man sort of bobs up and down like a pendum - as well as the leg action.

Very obviously, fuel is being consumed. I've lost a lot of fat by biking and running - this is not free energy by any means. But, I think there can be a component of free energy flowing in - which is the difference in Force x Time obtained by gravity vs the Force x Time required to raise the mass back up. Since the force of gravity on a human scale is basically a constant, this comes down to simply the Time difference. In simple terms: a long fall followed by a quick rise will allow more Momentum to be gained from gravity than is required to reset the mass.

(At this point, Energy math fans will say ... blah, blah, blah. I know, I know, I know. Energy maths boils down to Force x Distance, which boils down to Distance. And it's obvious that a mass falling and then returning the same distance will always show underunity maths calculations - because it's just a fancy disguise for Distance.

But if you calculate Momentum (which boils down to Time), you can clearly see a surplus IF you create a long fall followed by a short rise, and IF you don't simply squander the Force x Time via friction etc. Enter the Pequaids/Atwoods - type system ...

Momentum is a conserved quantity. Kinetic energy is not a conserved quantity. So if you have a system that generates a surplus of Momentum - YOU CANNOT IGNORE THIS. Even if the Energy maths does not - which is like, well, duh! if the distance is equal.

Flogging a dead horse - I know. It's just words. It's just the way I see it, and it gives me hope that there is an over-unity of motion possible.

[path_finder]

Dear denker,
I'm a fan of the bipedalism, like explained earlier:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/download.php?id=7021
either hamster either human, same fight!

[iacob alex]

.....or inverted pendulum , with some insights , at : www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRZ2GZWldsI

A "concise" group of common proposals (0:16 to 0:24) , also...

Al_ex

[Unbalanced]

Hello Denker and welcome to BW,

Just this afternoon, I was contemplating a similar scenario. I was thinking about highly unstable situations in life where PE is not converted to KE.

What came to mine is a log roller. An old lumberjack atop a floating log.

This is a top heavy situation that needs the slightest movement to become completely unstable.

Leave the mass up high and get its little legs running like the dickens.

Now to figure out where the energy to those little legs is going to come from.

[david jenkins]

I built a wheel using a horse front half (legs) as a guide for motion. Resetting the legs turned into a show stopper. I even tried lengthening the torso to balance the system which tended to hamper the downward force of the legs. Good luck with your design.

Dave

[Fletcher]

;7)

[Tarsier79]

Ha Ha!!

That is the best WM2D gravity simulation I have seen yet. Awesome!

Thanks for sharing Fletcher.