Another design based on the seesaw?

[path_finder]

Replacing the walking man by a rolling ball, can we do let work this wheel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKGBkc77sDw
Many thanks to the 'Cirque du Soleil' (Circus of the Sun)...

[AB Hammer]

path_finder

Thanks for posting. It is very entertaining. But it is not much different than this one, in the action you will get IMO but will stop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3jSnjCVu00

[path_finder]

Dear AB_Hammer,
Thanks for the video.
The walking man is not a chaotic element. His path is calculated and optimized.
In fact he can walk inside and outside of the circular cage, what is extrelemy interesting. The only geometrical way to exchange the position is the 'moebius strip', like discussed already in a previous thread (here for memory: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... c&start=15)
I will post an animation of this concept including some rotating balls.

[Ed]

I'm not sure what you find interesting about this? The Wheel Of Death appears controlled as part of the act. His walking is NOT turning the wheel like a hamster.

[path_finder]

Dear Ed,
I don't understand your comment. You cannot see here any motor.
Obviously the motion of this wheel is obtained only by the move of the walkers, even if this move is very different with the common hamster ride.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1067922/d ... f_death_2/

[Stewart]

path_finder - It seems Ed thought you were suggesting that the person was walking the small wheel and that was somehow geared to cause the rotation of the whole device. Obviously the device is balanced and the movement of the person away from or towards the centre of rotation at the right times will aid or hinder rotation - a simple human powered overbalanced wheel. If you replace the human with a rolling ball, then how is that any different from any other rolling-ball only design of overbalanced wheel such as is seen in MT or elsewhere? Interesting spectacle it may be, but it's not teaching us anything new is it? We're still missing the important specifics of the part that maintains the overbalance perpetually! If you have any new ideas to that end, then that might be worth a post ;-)

Stewart

[murilo]

At the end, when that very skilled guy leaves the equipment, walking over ground, the whole equipment keeps turning very fine!
Thanks for the posting!
Cheers. M.

[path_finder]

Dear Stewart and murilo,
Despite your pertinent comments I still persist and sign:
1. When the walkers are left from the wheel, it will continue to rotate alone (that's right) but only as a flywheel, until the friction absorb the rest of the energy (and therefore stops).
2. The rolling balls I suggested (I apologize do not being in details enough) shall include an internal mechanism conducting to a permanent excentered COG regarding these balls. In that case these balls will be always obliged to climb inside the two circular cages, acting by this way exactly like the two walkers are doing thanks their feet. This unbalanced situation is typically a permanent rotating seesaw.

[murilo]

path,
at least under my vision, this `see saw`, or wheel, has a bigger energy and disposition to turn, than that using just the super-hamster.
It doesn't appear, but some trick is there.
A slightly eccentric control for that main axle would be enough, I guess. :)
That super-hamster must be at least 10 times more macho than I am, with or without any trick.
Cheers... Testosterone to all! :( M.

[path_finder]

Dear murilo,
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure there is a simple bearing at the center.
Don't forget the rules of the circus (impressive spectacle) where the building must remain simple and easy to be quickly dismount.
There is no trick needed here, except a good synchronization between the walkers.
If there was any motor inhere (even hidden) why are they obliged (look at the first three seconds) to start manually the rotation?

In addition I give hereafter an example of a possible rotating ball climbing in the two circular cages (they can be improved, passing from 90 grades to 60 grades within 'order three').

[murilo]

Dear p_f,
when you think of Cirque du Soleil, they are many bodies ahead to any other circus in the history.

Any way, I was telling of some forced controlled eccentricity of axles, which can be ALSO axially alternated from a side to the other, right to left, of sure a few millimeters +/- and with command at the correct moments.

In a different way, this reminds me what I said here at some years ago. There is the STRONG possibility that JB wheel had used those 2 LARGE pendulums moving in synchronicity to those 2 eccentric opposite curved little arms one can see in the wheels axles.

These pendulums may be confused with 'out-puts', or source to applications, but in true they may be parts of 'in-put', you know what I mean?

Best! M.

[path_finder]

The demoniac wedding of the hamster and the 'Vesica Pisces' celebrated at the top of the 'Wheel of the Death'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN7foojV8Bw

As promised I made an animation depicting the concept (click on it for a better view).
The seesaw is here very short: this is the link between the two centers of the blue cages.
These both blue cages are arranged as a Vesica Pisces, therefore giving to the moves some properties coming from this specific geometry.
In particular the center of the hamster follow a particular path (an horizontal segment coming from the hypocycloid with a ratio of 1/2).
The hamster rotates inside the cage at twice the rotation speed of the seesaw (because the ratio between the radius, equal to one half).
The mechanism inside the hamster is not shown here (same kind, like the typical 'hamster design' described in my another thread).

Some of yours will ask: 'how this can be done, there are two cages and only one hamster?'
There is a secret, not shown in the animation.
Can you find where is the hidden door of the 'maxwell daemon'?

And during the thinking, for the pleasure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnmqKwzCOm8

[path_finder]

I give you the answer for the hidden door:
the two blue cages have each one an hidden door wich allows the 'escamotage' (conjure away) of the hamster passing from one cage to another.
The attached drawing hereafter shows the communication door (open only at 12:00).

In the previous thread Can Bessler's wheel be patented?
(for memory here:http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 2246fceab4)
teokox said:

I believe if you will find the secret escamotage that Bessler discovered to make the wheel functional, etc...

John Collins said

I had to look up scamotage. I found escamotage (Italian) = subterfuge

IMHO the best translation could be: conjure away coming from the Oxford-Hachette French Dictionary © 2005 Oxford University Press
In the french language the action 'escamoter' is usually made by a magician with the specific ability to let disappear something (p.e. some cards) without the viewers are able to detect how and when he did it, like here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV1OWpibWns

Dear teokox,
It's strange that you speak of 'escamotage' about the secret of Bessler.
Can you precise to us if this was just a literature effect, or if you did find some clues on any conjuring mechanism from Bessler?

[path_finder]

Now at this level I remember the pertinent comment of DrWhat in the thread 'a double parametric pendulum, linked to a seesaw axle etc..., here for memory:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 7d0568e8ab

you need to look at the paths the balls follow. It is like an optical illusion diagram. You'd think that the balls go fully around the track, eg if pushed. But they don't. They fall off because the paths disappear!

The MT124 seems to be very close to this 'escamotage' process.
(for memory see here again:http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/downl ... 2c9db33db1
I'm still convinced that this drawing shall be seen vertical.
The impossible path (like a Moebius string) seems to indicate a change of track at each turn.
The small curved ramps are here for repelling the balls at the right place.
What is also interesting is the presence simultaneously of four balls on the main track, but nothing is forbidden for repeating four times the same principle. The only question is: Is there any space enough for all balls?

Path_finder said:

Please observe with attention the mutual position of the rods and weights between 02:04 and 02.32 of this flash animation...

here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUHQ2ybTejU

[nicbordeaux]

Point one there is absolutely no trickery to that circus device, it's just a balancing/walking at right moment/speed act. If one of the guys in one of the wheels falls off at the bottom, the guy in the top wheel is going to need microsurgery to have his underpants removed (inhalation). If he survives the fall.

Point two, how about just build a seesaw like that but a bit smaller, take two actual hamster wheels on decent bearings, use some mini mags spaced as required, and put a steel ball in each hamster wheel. Or use magnetic strip.

Not as simple as that, because you don't want oscillation, probably a one pawl ratchet is needed. Or something like that. Or maybe two actual hamsters. Or stick Ovyyus in one wheel, Michael in the other and use a computer controled cowprod to ensure correct timing. Replacement parts could be Fletcher and Ralph.