At least, the solution for the Buzzsaw?

[path_finder]

The wheel of Enrique Pantin (Spanien)
http://www.kugelbahn.info/deutsch/rad/zweikreis.html
A still important question: for what purpose is the handle if (as written) everything works alone?

[nicbordeaux]

Why on earth do people think that a wheel must have weights depart from it and land in a second wheel from where they are transferred back to the first wheel ?

Any hat eaters out there ?

[greendoor]

I wish I could read that site - what language is that? (A translation would be nice!)

Who needs to eat their hat Nic? Does this thing work or something?

I think the idea of transfering weights between two wheels has merit. The way I see it, to get a wheel to work there needs to be a way to allow mass to fall at slow speed, but rise at a fast speed. If for no other reason that the force x time required to overcome gravity must be less if the time period is shortened. Not to mention that the force x time acquired during the fall is greater if we extend the time.

Chucking a mass from one moving wheel to another seems like a good way of transfering momentum. Not the only way, but as good as any other.

[path_finder]

The used language is GERMAN (Und sie verstehen noch nicht?)
Please be kind with the automatic translation automata:

Enrique was stimulated by the representations on these Internet pages to build ball roads.
Many thanks for the photos and descriptions, and many greetings to Pantin in Spain.
Its wheel is an amended construction. The holes are on two circles with different wheels, really idea.
* The wheel has 12 holes outside and 12 holes inside how shown in the picture.
* For two runways 2.5mm² installation electrical wire were applied.
* The balls from the outer holes roll forwards in the inside hole and vice versa.
* The impulse takes place with a crank in a round timber. The rotation will transfer to the elastic band on the edge of the wheel.
* The whole device functions perfectly and does a lot of enjoyment.
Here a view from the back. The top exit hole is not to be seen in this picture.

[jonnynet]

A still important question: for what purpose is the handle if (as written) everything works alone?

I can nowhere read anything about a selfsustaining device there. Maybe it was a translation error. They say the wheel is driven by the crank arm.

[triplock]

The site indicates that there are two versions available.

One driven by a crank handle, and the other by an electric motor. Now if we can hide that motor within a pine box and run the cable down thru the table leg into the office below,, we might just get away with it. ;-)

Seriously though, there is something quite nice about 'toys' like this when they're engineered out of wood. My daughter has a multi level ramp toy where the marble goes in and out of the support housing. And it rings a bell at the end. My 2 year old gets fed up with it within 5 minutes, but it keeps me amused for hours. I've so wanted to canabilize it and adapt things !!!!!!..


Chris

[nicbordeaux]

Who needs to eat their hat Nic? Does this thing work or something?

No Greendoor, that thing doesn't work and won't in a thousand years of tinkering. All wheels which rely on inducing position of weight by having weights travel in tracks at naturally occuring moments are doomed. The only solution IMO is using the tendancy of weights to move to store energy to kick them in the butt at the desired moment. But this requires a load of observation using slow motion vid if necessary, and some very serious thought.

The hat eating is because I feel pretty confident of a runner wheel anytime between tommorow and 4 weeks (after that, I'm out). If it works, it will be called the Moron wheel : more on one side.

[Richard]

nic...

that is rock solid man...I needed that laugh:-))

richard

[LustInBlack]

Who needs to eat their hat Nic? Does this thing work or something?

No Greendoor, that thing doesn't work and won't in a thousand years of tinkering. All wheels which rely on inducing position of weight by having weights travel in tracks at naturally occuring moments are doomed. The only solution IMO is using the tendancy of weights to move to store energy to kick them in the butt at the desired moment. But this requires a load of observation using slow motion vid if necessary, and some very serious thought.

The hat eating is because I feel pretty confident of a runner wheel anytime between tommorow and 4 weeks (after that, I'm out). If it works, it will be called the Moron wheel : more on one side.

Oh wow, I'm sure KitchenAid will make a big profit this week!

[nicbordeaux]

Ah, at last, a victim. You going to take up the hat eating chellenge LIB ?

[Denker]

The wheel of Enrique Pantin is not selfrunning ! it must be driven by hand or motor.

This device looks more interessting
http://keelynet.com/energy/mptoy.htm
it is probably selfrunning...

[LustInBlack]

Nic yeah I already done it.. look at my wheel :


http://www.allsortsshop.co.uk/ekmps/sho ... _wheel.jpg

[nicbordeaux]

That's a definite runner. if you plant the right varieties, come fall and spring, the foliage fall/growth will cause a difference, ensuring one rpy.

[LustInBlack]

Hehe I like you nic, you are funny! 8]