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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:33 am    Post subject: Documents Reference Page on the Wiki Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

I thought a more permanent and accessible list of document references was needed on the forum, since posted links to online documents eventually get buried in forum topics. I've been building up a list myself for the johannbessler.com website, but the website isn't going to be ready for a while so yesterday I started to create a new 'Documents' page on the besslerwheel.com wiki (accessible via the button in the forum header). I'm still working on entering all the information I have, so I would ask that no one else attempt to change the page themselves for the time being, but rather post here or contact me if you have any information that might help me build the page.

Some of the works have quite long titles and it's often difficult to know what to refer to them as in discussions, so I've come up with shorter reference names and codes for all the documents along the lines of what we've already been using for the more common works such as GB, AP, DT etc. I've added little thumbnail images of the title pages and I'll also be adding my translations of the title pages so that it'll be easier for everyone to become more familiar with each of the documents. I've also included links to online versions of the documents if I know of any.

I've highlighted the document code in red for any document that I've not got a copy of, so if anyone knows of any online copies or has a copy they could send me, then please let me know. If you know of a document that's not on the list then please also let me know even if you don't know where to find a copy. I still have more documents to add on there in addition to the more commonly known ones that I've already added, such as newspaper, journal, encyclopaedia entries and letters etc.

Anyway, thanks in advance for any information anyone can give to help me with this and I hope you all find this a useful addition to the forum.

Stewart

http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Portal:Documents


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:54 pm    Post subject: re: Documents Reference Page on the Wiki Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Big thumbs up, Stewart!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Thanks Bill!

Document references recently added to the wiki...

Published Documents by or about Johann Bessler

1. [GB] Gründlicher Bericht (Thorough Report), 1715
2. [KG] Kurze Gedanken, was ein Perpetuum Mobile seyn solle?, Borlach, 1715
3. [KU] Kurtze doch gründliche Untersuchung (Brief yet thorough investigation), Wagner, 1715
4. [GG] Gründlicher Gegen-Bericht (Thorough Counter-Report), Borlach, 1716
5. [VE] Das nunmehro völlig entdeckte PERPETUUM AC PER SE MOBILE (The now fully discovered PERPETUUM AC PER SE MOBILE), Wagner, 1716
6. [AP] ORFFYREI Apologi'sche Poësie (ORFFYRE'S Defensive Poetry), Bessler, 1717
7. [J17] Das Evangelische sondersame Grosse Jubel-Jahr 1717 (The especially great Evangelical jubilee 1717), Bessler, 1717
8. [NN] Neue Nachricht (New Information), 1718
9. [CAV] Das CAROLO ATTESTAT (veröffentlicht) (The Attestation of Carl (published)), Carl (Landgrave of Hesse), 1718
10. [SS] Kurtz-bündige Schutz-Schrifft (Succinct defensive-writing), von Schönlich, 1718
11. [J19] Das 1719. Jahr (The Year 1719), Bessler, 1719
12. [DT] Das Triumphirende PERPETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM (The Triumphant ORFFYREAN PERPETUUM MOBILE), Bessler, 1719
13. [RP] REMARQUES SUR LA POSSIBILITÉ DU MOUVEMENT PERPETUEL (REMARKS ON THE POSSIBILITY OF PERPETUAL MOTION), 's Gravesande, 1722
14. [RO] Der recht-glaubige Orffyrer (The orthodox Orffyre), Bessler, 1723
15. [FR] Das fünffte Rad am Wagen (The fifth wheel on the wagon), Jürgens, 1723
16. [J24] , Bessler, 1724
17. [OS] Das neu-erfundene orffyreische Schiff! (The newly-invented Orffyrean ship!), Bessler, 1738

Published Documents about Perpetual Motion

1. [PMD61] PERPETUUM MOBILE, Dircks, 1861
2. [PMD70] PERPETUUM MOBILE, Dircks, 1870
3. [PMI] Das Perpetuum mobile (The Perpetuum Mobile), Ichak, 1914

Machine Books

1. [TMG] THEATRUM MACHINARUM GENERALE (GENERAL THEATRE OF MACHINES), Leupold, 1724

Encyclopaedias & Dictionaries

1. [ULZ] Grosses vollständiges UNIVERSAL LEXICON Aller Wissenschafften und Künste (Great Complete Encyclopaedia of all Sciences and Arts), Zedler, 1732–1754


I'll post here when I add further document references.

Stewart


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Stewart, nice job.

I hope you don't mind I've added a link on Bessler (wikipedia main) to your document references page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessler_Wheel


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

DrWhat wrote:
Stewart, nice job.
I hope you don't mind I've added a link on Bessler (wikipedia main) to your document references page.


Thanks DrWhat.

Document references recently added to the wiki...

Published Documents by or about Johann Bessler
6. [O16] OFFERTE von Tausend Reichsthlrn. gegen Tausend Rthler (OFFER of a Thousand Reichsthalers against a Thousand Reichsthalers), Siegert, 1716
9. [O17] Nochmahlige Offerte Von Ein Tausend Thlrn. (Repeated Offer of a Thousand Reichsthalers), Siegert, 1717

Encyclopaedias & Dictionaries
2. [HGSG10] Grundlage zu einer Hessischen Gelehrten und Schriftsteller Geschichte. Zehnter Band. (Foundation to a History of Hessian Scholars and Authors. Volume 10.), Strieder, 1795

I've added a link to an online version of Strieder's biography of Bessler.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:55 am    Post subject: re: Documents Reference Page on the Wiki Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

http://dlxs2.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=kmoddl;cc=kmoddl;idno=kmod003;node=kmod003%3A6;frm=frameset;view=image;seq=85;page=root;size=s

Title: Theatrum Machinarum Novum : Neu-vermehrter Schauplatz der mechanischen Künsten, handelt von allerhand Wasser-Wind-Ross-Gewicht- und Hand-Mühlen, wie dieselbige zu dem Frucht-Mahlen, Papyr- Pulver- Stampff-Segen- Bohren- Walcken-Mangen, und dergleichen anzuordnen

Author: Böckler, Georg Andreas

It appears Jacob Leupold studied and copied Bocklers work.




Edit: I also came across a site that said Bessler wrote some music, didn't think it important at the time... But considering MT137 is considered to be the circle of fifths, maybe it could be relevant.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:19 pm    Post subject: re: Documents Reference Page on the Wiki Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Bessler writing Music?

Yes i think its important, i have said before that i believe the x's in AP are a musical code for those astute enough to see it and translate it. NOT ME. lol



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Thanks Tarsier79 - I have got that one on my list to add to the machine books section. There's a history of machine books going back even further than that - each subsequent one by a different person in another generation drawing from the previous and often using the same images but also adding to the work. I've got a list of them that I'll add to the page soon. The images I posted recently of old stamping mills come from Böckler's book...
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=79755#79755

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Edit: I also came across a site that said Bessler wrote some music, didn't think it important at the time... But considering MT137 is considered to be the circle of fifths, maybe it could be relevant.


If this refers to the glockenspiel he was building, then I'm not sure whether he wrote the music himself or just arranged it. The song he used was a well-known hymn "Te Deum Laudamus", but I'm not sure if the music was something that he composed or if it was the standard music for the hymn. His notes for the glockenspiel remain and I'm still transcribing and translating them for all the details. It was a self-playing glockenspiel, meaning it had a drum on which you could program a tune with pegs which would operate the bells as the drum revolved. A particularly interesting feature was the way Bessler managed to fit the tune onto a much smaller diameter drum by allowing the drum to move along on a screw thread and present a different set of pegs to the bell levers each revolution. The glockenspiel was never completed due to his death but the drum is one of the items listed in his possessions after his death. The glockenspiel was to be housed in a tower, probably attached to the roof of a building rather than standing alone, but there are a couple of designs for the tower in his notes. See this link for a 3D model I made of one of the designs...
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=33575#33575

His musical notation was in the form of hand-drawn tables with each cell containing hand-written letters representing the bell notes, with four beats to each cell and at each beat single or multiple bells could be struck. There were 26 bells in total. The notation was fairly easy to work out and I recreated the music from it. It was on my website for a while for people to listen to, but I'm currently reworking the site so it's not available on there at the moment. If you're interested I could give you some further information and perhaps post an mp3 of the music.

As far as codes in the music go - I've also considered it but not worked anything out from it yet. Maybe someone else can work something out - I'll get the webpages back up as soon as possible.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: re: Documents Reference Page on the Wiki Report Post to Admin

Dear Stewart,
Many thanks again for your major contribution.
In relation with a possible clue inside the music notation of Bessler, there is also the 'Crab canon' of Bach you can hear here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwhLDLQLI44
But for what purpose a Moebius strip can be useful for Bessler?



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