Relativity

[nicbordeaux]

I'll take your word for that Frank. But will this make a gravity wheel work ? Will it reduce my overdraft ? Will my car stop working ? The wife will rejuvinate 15 years ? Moody's and that whole bunch will be arrested and disbanded ?

The only thing this might change if verified and unexplained is the certitude of the simple minded people who believe that the speed of light is constant and therefore light emitted by a source will always reach us at a point of time indicative of a time/distance., enabling them to determine that any cosmic event perceived as light can be very precisely dated. Probably won't change that theory one iota, because anybody thick enough to think that light, even if it is constant in speed of diffusion in a unobstructed path, systematically travels totally unhindered will never change his mind.

We don't need to now the speed of light or of gravity if there is one to save the world via invention of a pm machine made from a bicycle wheel or a piece of timber on a shaft, and capable of producing 0.0001 mev :-)

[eccentrically1]

Celestial mechanics won't work unless the force of gravity travels faster than light. Therefore if you believe that nothing travels faster than light you have to invent some weird theory to account for gravity.

That's right. That's what Einstein theorized about gravity; it isn't an actual force: it's indistinguishable from a fictitious force, so it doesn't have to travel at all. That's the reason he gives for it to appear to propagate instantaneously. It's not that weird.

One reasoning given behind possible faster than light masses is they find shortcuts, or wormholes, through extra dimensions that we can't detect in a 3d world.

[murilo]

Gentlemen,
just my 2Csquare.

Since I have some personal experience to some types of instruments for measurements, I can say that the difference those guys got is much below human devices, be sure!

In another forum there are now many 'relativistic widows'... they are very confused and sorry... they discovered now that a stuff they just couldn't understand enough before, is now completely different from that previous obscure unknown... 8))
( btw, they don't allow me to send msg in their virgin skeptical nest.)

Best!
M
''Beware of that Romer Simpson inside you.''

[eccentrically1]

[Grimer]

Celestial mechanics won't work unless the force of gravity travels faster than light. Therefore if you believe that nothing travels faster than light you have to invent some weird theory to account for gravity.

That's right. That's what Einstein theorized about gravity; it isn't an actual force: it's indistinguishable from a fictitious force, so it doesn't have to travel at all. That's the reason he gives for it to appear to propagate instantaneously. It's not that weird.

One reasoning given behind possible faster than light masses is they find shortcuts, or wormholes, through extra dimensions that we can't detect in a 3d world.

Like the oozlum bird, these people are disappearing up their own wormholes.

[ovyyus]

If you can't nail it, it isn't real :D

[eccentrically1]

What happens to a particle's mass when it exceeds c?

How much energy is required to accelerate it to > c?

Do oozlum birds reappear from their own mouths?

[Grimer]

I think you are confusing mass with matter. Mass is a property of matter like charge, magnetic polarity, colour, temperature, etc. Mass is not substance. If I accelerate 100 protons to near light speed their mass increases but the number of protons doesn't increase. There are still 100 protons not 10,000.

Since mass is a property of matter mass can be positive, negative or neutral, just like charge.

You should read my paper: Iterative Hierarchical Mechanics

[Grimer]

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Do oozlum birds reappear from their own mouths?

Well positrons and electrons reappear from their annihilation particle so I don't see why the poor old oozlum shouldn't.

[eccentrically1]

I think you are confusing mass with matter. Mass is a property of matter like charge, magnetic polarity, colour, temperature, etc. Mass is not substance. If I accelerate 100 protons to near light speed their mass increases but the number of protons doesn't increase. There are still 100 protons not 10,000.

No, I'm not confused. I know the difference between mass and matter.
As a particle's speed increases, so does its mass, and thus, the energy required to accelerate it.
So what happens as the mass increases; as speed approaches c?
Does the mass also approach infinite mass?
And infinite energy is required to accelerate it?

[Grimer]

No. The reciprocal of mass (1/m) approaches zero. The very fine scale internal motion (mass) gets all used up.

When we accelerate something at low speed all we are doing is operating a servomechanism which releases the material's internal energy.

If you have servo steering you will know that though it feels as though you are providing the energy to move the wheel, you aren't.

Materials are not dead. They are very much alive.

[eccentrically1]

The reciprocal of mass approaches zero? That's true, but you're just saying the same thing a different way, mathematically: the mass approaches infinity.

The mass gets all used up? Now you're confusing mass and matter.

Materials are not dead? I didn't say they were. It depends on how one defines life and death.

[Grimer]

No. You are confusing mass and matter.

[eccentrically1]

Mass can't be "used up". It's just a measurement. You are confused.

[Grimer]

It isn't just a measurement.
It's an inverse measure of motion at a certain scale.
Just as temperature is a direct measure of motion at a certain scale.
Temperature can be used up.

And you are the one who is confused because you have swallowed scientific orthodoxy hook, line and sinker.

With your attitude I cannot for the life of me imagine why you post to what you must consider a collection of mad idiots who believe the Bessler's machine worked as claimed.