Ralphs Basting Brush and Pendulum Wheel

[rlortie]

Dave,

A good response and I do not see anything worth quibbling over with the exception of agreeing fully with;

BUT, the synchronization of a system of this type is quite honestly beyond the abilities of most i would assume

I think you are right as far as "beyond the abilities of most". Synchronization is the key not only of distance but weight values. It will require a very patient builder with the resources and skills. That which a great number of members here lack. but once found it will be easy to duplicate.

I have attempted to duplicate it without knowing the pertinent measurements which James just happened to come up with by accident or gift from God. I have however came close enough to verify that the concept indeed is worthy of farther research.

Ralph

[nicbordeaux]

It's just that it's nicer when personal animosity or disputes are left out. Aggro isn't overunity ;-)

Ralph, the thing you mention about synch or timing just happening by "accident"... Guess most builders run across this all the time. You cut a length of tube for ex, stick a old wheel on it, an OB weight (or some other build), and hey presto after seeing something you think worthy of further investigation, turns out you are within the quite narrow frameworok or window within which the behavior appears.

[FunWithGravity2]

I have a few more videos uploading now as i write this, they are simple motion studies again of pendulums on a wheel. This time one of the pendulums is given an initial start position 180 degrees above is rest state and allowed to see how it interacts with the wheel and the pendulum opposite that was static at start. You wheel itself has a slight lean to one side for these tests and was intentional. Its important when viewing these to separate the fact that some of the motion is the wheel trying to return itself to a balanced position and not the forces of the pendulum creating motion.

The basic premiss was to try and break down the simplicity of the motion of a pendulum oscilating through its period and its reactionary forces causing or not causing movement in the wheel. What can be seen in the first two videos is the motions of the pendulum and its shared lack of force on the opposite side of the wheel. The imbalance of the wheel was so that the reactionary forces could be studied through diffferent portions of the ascending arc.

I think that most will come to the conclusion from these simple motion studies that the force on the pendulums pivot through descent and its increased force on pivot at its lowest point is fairly even. No huge misplaced force allowing some leveraged movement of the wheel.

The last video is one of the pendulum of the left being given a large amount of PE with a forced swing. Once again the force on the pivot acts fairly reasonably as one would expect thoughout its entire range off motion.

As you will see from the run time of the pendulums under simple gravity release these are not sloppily thrown together. Sorry about the swiss chees wheel, it was one of my very early test beds and when i decided to go back and shoot these for the forum it was the closest one, threw a coat of paint on and then the reference line and off i went. Also did not make much effort to dress up for the event. I wanted a blue jumpsuit but i could not find one anywhere.

http://youtu.be/h388fBhKWng

All the videos were not ready by the time i finished post, you can find them as additional videos on my youtube site, theres only four total currently.

Dave

[rlortie]

Dave,

I click on your video link given above and all I get is one video dated April 15th 2010. There is another video, but all it shows is the wake of a boat.

I have been chipping away at the glacier for a very long time and have created a beautiful sculpture. The intent of the video was to allow others to see things that had inspired me early in my journey and had me having some of the very same thoughts that are being presented. I truly appreciate the "suggestions", but my sculpture is far past any outside creative input.

I do not know whether that should be considered a provocative statement or not but I bet some may consider provoked!

Interested in seeing what you have done to turn a glacier into a sculpture.

To my recollection you have always felt indifferent toward me because I refuse to 'Free Source' are you now not appearing to be doing the same thing?

Ralph

[Ealadha]

I am sending the pictures to whom ever asks, .

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He did'nt send me any picutres , and i asked .

[FunWithGravity2]

I will try and see what is going on with the videos, i was having connection problems during upload.

I have absolutley no intention of free sourcing anything. And im not sure that your opinion of my opinion is 100% correct. You asked not to quibble but yet you keep wondering why.


Simply,

You made a statement regarding only sending pictures to those you thought "worthy" then you went back and edited that statement and act like it was never made. I should have saved/quoted it but i have far more important things to do than point out your faults open forum.

I have always wondered what your intentions here were as it seemed from my perspective that BW was your own little fishing pond where you would try and recruit new members to share their ideas with you privately with the auspice tghat you had the talent and knowledge to help them. Then telling everyone else they had a great idea but we can't tell you anything.


I am going to take a respite not only from this thread but from BW for a while. I have no time for speculations and quibbling over personal issues regarding motivations. Im not sure why i would need to provoke anyone or what you meant by that.

Best of luck to you with your designs.

Looked at the videos, it would appear that in order to see them you need to click the link in BW as they are unlisted otherwise, One from the first page and one from the top of this page. Im not going to bother with the other two as in two days since upload there was no comment either way. Its an idea that has no interest for most. I do not see any discussion here of your wheel. So either it is happening privately somewhere else or not at all.

[rlortie]

I am sending the pictures to whom ever asks,
He did'nt send me any picutres , and i asked .

Ealadha,

Here is what you sent me via forum mail;

Dear Riortie (Dated 11/07/11)

If you want to send me a picture of it .
Do i need to send you my email address?

Ealadha

You did not send me your address or your full surname which is and always has been a standing rule of mine to protect your confidentiality.

If there is anyone else that asked for copies and did not receive, please advise. With the initial traffic I received some may have fallen through the cracks!

Ralph

[rlortie]

I have absolutley no intention of free sourcing anything. And im not sure that your opinion of my opinion is 100% correct. You asked not to quibble but yet you keep wondering why.

Well this explains a lot, I was always under the impression that you did not care to collaborate with me or my group as you were against our policy of not free resourcing. Now I understand; you like most with the aptitude and resources to build, do not wish to 'free source as you feel that your sculpture is above and beyond anything here. This is understandable as most builders think the same way. I am no exception, I only collaborate with those who wish to patent and have the integrity to make clear who they are, and abide to research group bi-laws

You made a statement regarding only sending pictures to those you thought "worthy" then you went back and edited that statement and act like it was never made. I should have saved/quoted it but i have far more important things to do than point out your faults open forum.

Guilty as charged! my initial statement was made without due consideration as it did not come out as intended. 'Those worthy' was a figure of speech intended to mean those that will recognize themselves with surnames and agree not to publish or forward the pictures without consent.

I have always wondered what your intentions here were as it seemed from my perspective that BW was your own little fishing pond where you would try and recruit new members to share their ideas with you privately with the auspice tghat you had the talent and knowledge to help them. Then telling everyone else they had a great idea but we can't tell you anything.

One simple question; If you were to send me or my group an idea with a request to keep it confidential, would you appreciate it if I posted it here on an open forum? Posting is the option of the member who submitted it. Few but some have taken the liberty of open sourcing there designs. I cannot speak of it until after they have open sourced it.

I am going to take a respite not only from this thread but from BW for a while. I have no time for speculations and quibbling over personal issues regarding motivations. Im not sure why i would need to provoke anyone or what you meant by that.

Enjoy your vacation, we all need to get away once in a while.

The provocation comes from your statement: 'truly appreciate the "suggestions", but my sculpture is far past any outside creative input.'

IMO that is to imply that you feel there is no one here that that can match or excel your self accessed aptitude and innovation.

Im not going to bother with the other two as in two days since upload there was no comment either way. Its an idea that has no interest for most. I do not see any discussion here of your wheel. So either it is happening privately somewhere else or not at all.

As you stated and I agreed there is a limited number of members here with the skills and resources to fabricate a delicate machine demanding precision in sympathetic resonance.

I and my small group consisting of builders and innovators are proceeding privately. There is a private hidden forum here that has compiled 53 topics with 1,675 posts, outranking all other private and open group forums that I am privy to.

The majority or consensus of members here find it more comfortable discussing speculations and theoretical physics rather than physical builds. At the rate of compiling objective facts, it is my opinion that they will remain doing so for some time to come.

Enjoy your respite! I am also taking one on the 17th

Ralph

[justsomeone]

Dave, I would like to see some videos of your wheels while you apply a variable load.

[FunWithGravity2]

Damian and Steve are the only ones who made a "suggestion" and i hope they were not offened if they were i will clarify for them and others. I was presenting these videos as a way to discuss open forum some very simple mechanical structures and movements/forces in a rotating enviroment as they related to an idea that Ralph presented elsewhere. I only abruptly declined ideas relating to improvements because that was not the intent of presenting them, i was hoping to discuss the simplicity of what was being percieved by other forum members as it was presented by Ralph that their was something amazing in a simple arrangement of pendulums that he witnessed with James Kelley.

Ralph im sure your no better or worse than any of the rest of us and have the usual personality flaws of any human, i have a few more negative traits towards others than most. But i am still confused about your motifs here and remain skeptical. If you have a private forum with such involvement than your busrting into a thread in GD to offer private pictures to those that reveal themselves to you seems very odd to me. I will remove the videos today as im sure your group has enough visual material and the thread was misplaced as noone is interested in discussing the theory here in GD.


Sorry for shooting down any suggestions to those that offered, i was only interested in discussing "weights gain force from swinging", i know we all want to jump to the last page but sometimes theres nothing on the last page.

Dave

[FunWithGravity2]

Dave, I would like to see some videos of your wheels while you apply a variable load.

Not what the thread is about.

[daanopperman]

FWG ,

A lot is to be learned from your video's , but it is the worthy comments or the lack of them that is the problem . To make honest comments takes time , one must first soak up the what's and why's . Some where on this forum it was stated about pendulum's that they do not weigh 0 at apex in a moving reverence frame , but that is what I see in your video , or is it moving to slow . Also the 4 x weight at bottom swing you can see clearly every time the swinging pendulum overwhelms the wheel at that point .

[rlortie]

Dave,

But i am still confused about your motifs here and remain skeptical. If you have a private forum with such involvement than your busrting into a thread in GD to offer private pictures to those that reveal themselves to you seems very odd to me.

I broke into John Collins thread; 'Speculations on the witness's evidence' to make a point that as a whole and not just this forum, people of interest have been chasing speculation and assumptions nigh on to 300 years gaining no more objective conclusions that that which was available 300 years ago.

If you now review the thread you will see that my 'Wake up Call' as defined by John C. had no effect, the thread is right back to speculating and debating nonobjective material and making excuses as to why a finite answer cannot be reached. It is unproductive and a waste of time. IMO it is not the proper course of action that will lead to a re-discovery of the principle Bessler discovered.

i know we all want to jump to the last page but sometimes theres nothing on the last page.

And there never will be by those following the a fore mentioned tactics. You know that as well as I. Yet they persist in continuing the same 300 year old beaten path!

Your term 'revealing themselves to me' is a misnomer. With so many people using pseudonyms leading to the liberal use of 'sock puppets', The only way I can control confidential communication is by knowing the surname and general location of the person seeking confidential communication.

If I am contacted, here is an example of what I receive via a 'Captcha' code.

Message:
Make it heavier on one side.

Sent from (ip address): 97.115.55.141 (97-115-55-141.ptld.qwest.net)
Date/Time: November 10, 2011 8:00 pm
Coming from (referer): http://www.arrache.org/contact/ Using (user agent): Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/7.0.1

Second; if you do not have the integrity to say who you are, should I feel obligated to communicate with you on a personal level? A verbal shaking of hands and a proper introduction opens the door to building integrity, this the is way I was raised, I am to old to change now.

You speak of Steve and Damion being the only ones to make suggestions. I am not surprised!

Steve has went out of his way to come visit me, spending a good portion of s day reviewing my shop and one of his earlier designs being fabricated that he had submitted to me. We had a number of varying conversations and numerous cups of coffee together.

If given the time he is also proficient with WM2d and has provided me with a number of simulations.

As for Damian, he is a man of inquisitiveness with an open mind. I am not fully aware of his building skills or resources, nor can I recall seeing any builds by him. That aside, he is very active and always ready to offer his thoughts.

Ralph

[Tarsier79]

Daan, The CF acceleration is mostly negated by other inertial forces, hence Damians mention of syncronising forces. This also has its problems, as Dave points to, the direction and comparative speed of the pivot moving affects the pendulums amplitude, so that the wheel attempts to preserve its total energy(in different forms), as it is transferred between its 3 components.

Dave, if you apply a force in either direction to the wheel itself, regardless of what the pendulums are doing at that stage, will it always have a positive affect on the total energy of the system, or do you have to wait till the pendulums are in a particular phase of their swing?

[DrWhat]

Ralph you can look at my ALBUMS to see some early (an now patently wasteful) builds.

Damian