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[preoccupied]

I'm back. I was never angry when I left. I am just curious again so here I am.

As seen in picture these are the numbers I got from an online trig calculator
Left 4+2.82+1+.70=8.52
Right 1.41+2.82+4=8.23
Turned 22.5 degrees counter clockwise
Left 3.68+.1.52+.92+.1.3+.38=7.8
Right 1.52+3.68+1.84+.76=7.8

The white circles are two weights together. The red circles is one weight by itself. On the top there are two weights that separate creating a right angle. The weights unload in the horizontal position and that is why there is a white weight at the horizontal position also, because that weight is loaded there when the red weights unload there. On the right the white weight hangs and lifts all the way around into the center where it unloads. It also reloads on the right side to be lifted back up and that is why there is extra weights starting on the horizontal part of the right side. The wheel is turning counter clockwise.

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[preoccupied]

I think a spiral ramp inside of a wheel can cause it to move uphill. Am I wrong?

From there it can drop off onto a lever. The lever is the prime mover.

At the end of the levers drop it can roll off into another spiral wheel to reload back up to the lever. That is where the big arrows are pointing.

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[Unbalanced]

Welcome back Preoccupied,

Good to hear you didn't go away mad.

Bessler addresses a design similar to what you have described in your second illustration with his MT43.

It has been the experience of many of the experimenter/builders on this forum, that designs that incorporate ramps in all their manifestations, be they cogs, gears, etc are not able (by the use of gravity) to lift weights
to the height that they originated. I wish you luck in this direction.

As to your first drawing, I feel we are not given enough information to make any sort of informed critique other than to say that (for me) it appears to be a static design.

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[preoccupied]

The circles that are going up hill have several weights loaded on top of them that are waiting to load on to the top part. When the weight on those circles reach the bottom they roll off of the circle down the ramp and reload onto another circle (see the arrows going down the ramp). I think this could cause a single weight to unload up at the top of the ramp where it can then fall on a lever. The lever would be the prime mover for a wheel. Basically if enough weights are waiting on top of the circles somehow then the circles can move up the ramp as far as they wish to.

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[Tarsier79]

Preocc. Take a second look at Besslers design. Are you describing your design, or Besslers?

[preoccupied]

The plan is that the circles need to roll up to a point where they can unload onto a ramp that reloads onto the top of the first circle. To do this the first circles need to roll without using their weights and start using their weights after they are past the reload ramp. The waiting weights would sit on top of the circle in the middle area so that they don’t apply force on either side of the circle.

I’m at a computational block for having inadequate mechanics knowledge. How much weight can a circle have before it cannot move uphill with one weight being off to one side of the circle and the other weights waiting in the middle area of the circle? If the weights unload onto the ramp the circles gradually get lighter the higher up the ramp they go so if the circles are pulling each other up the extra force from the circles highest up can help the circles that are lower on the ramp.

I've looked at all of the MT drawings Tarsier79. But I haven't purchased the book about Bessler yet. I've only read websites about him. I guess I'm just throwing ideas out there.

[Tarsier79]

The circle will continue to roll uphill while the COM of the circle is dropping... the circle rises as gravity pushes mass downwards. This is ultimately the problem you are trying to overcome.

[preoccupied]

what lever drop will hit the left side of the wheel harder? I have three different scenarios. One lever is dropping from the axle. One is dropping from a longer vertical position not on the axle and one is dropping from a long horizontal position.

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[Tarsier79]

Most probably the one that falls the farthest. Plus the most efficient will be when its impact occurs tangental to wheel rotation.

[preoccupied]

The lever falls to the side on the wheel. Then in the next animation the lever falls to the side but has an extra lever attached to it that swings out some giving some extra distance for a short part of the swing. In this contemplation I see that the extra lever and weight add some towards overbalancing on one side without changing the balance on the other. But it looks like it wants to turn only in the beginning of the rotation where all three weights are on the left. This might lead to new ideas.

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[Ken]

Unbalanced said,

[ovyyus]

My wheel has 451 ramps. I must be a 5 piece christian rock band.

[Ken]

Bill, no just an idiot. :)

[ovyyus]

Humpf. Just for that I'm not going to show anyone my 451 ramps. Kettle.

[Ken]

hahaha humpf