Can we all agree on one thing???

[WaltzCee]

My thumb doesn't hurt, . . .

Hey, hey. Last we talked you said it would be a week.

It's been more than a week.

Sup's up, dude?

[agor95]

I can agree on one thing. I am not an individual.

To get to John's Doe thread.

There appears to be many devices on the web that use the same principle.

They seem to use stored PE in a spring to jerk a weight to a greater hight.
Thus converting PE spring to PE weight hight. This is then lock in the wheel.
This then causes the wheel to keel. The KE from this momentum is converted to PE in the spring.
Then we start again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVSM__R1bqs

Can we agree this is one of the methods that could have been used by bessler?

@John - Frustrating I understand

[John doe]

Good news and bad news.
Good news I was successful in accomplishing 360. Rotation with minor push to start.
Bad news reset mechanism is not functioning as intended.
Trying to get reset mechanism to work. Not sure if it's a design issue or what or due to loss from friction. If it's friction I might be able to reduce it and have enough energy left over to kick start my next revolution!

If not it's probably a complete loss.

[WaltzCee]

If it's friction I might be able to . . .

Well, if your wheel can't handle friction throw it in the trash and look for something else.

[John doe]

No you have to have positive momentum at the end of 360 degree. 360 degrees is not enough. It's not enough to push the weight up hill you have to push it over the hump down the next hill!

[agor95]

@WaltzCee

I can agree on 'No one knows'.

So with due respect can we focus on agreeing on the small parts of a working device. Get that done and then work backwards to Bessler's clues?

I[we] respect you all!

[agor95]

@Sam

We all start as a 'big dummy' then we learn and grow some smarts.

So any device will require a diagram, math, simulations [computer or physical model] and an energy source.

Then when you have a working device we can convert people to accept it's existence.

P.S. keep it simple we want as many people to understand it's working.

So start learning to draw or use computer software.

[agor95]

@John Doe

The best way for a device to 'push it over the hump'.

Is to turn the hump upside down and make it smaller.

Waiting for the Status change :-)

With all due respect

[John doe]

Not sure if that will help but it's something to think about
Thanks

[John doe]

Just wondering what are the fundamental forces of nature?
Ie what forces do I have to choose from in regards to a practical PMM?
I hear people talking about over balance or gravity etc isn't balance a function of mass and gravity?

[John doe]

Also what is the speed of gravity ?

[jim_mich]

The "speed of gravity" is the same as the speed of light
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity

"over balance" has multiple meanings. The common meaning is more weight on one side of a wheel and less on the other, thus causing an imbalance or overbalance of force that rotates a wheel.

Overbalance can mean your credit card is over its credit limit, but I'm sure that is not what you mean.

Overbalance can mean greater force in one direction than in the reverse direction. Such force need not come from gravity. A twirling water sprinkler has an overbalance of force causing it to spin.

Nature has many fundamental forces. Weights have three basic forces involving motion. One is gravitational attraction. Second is inertial resistance to acceleration. Third is momentum resistance to deceleration.

Addition forces involve friction, magnetism, cohesive forces, pressure forces, etc.

[John doe]

Bessler wheel was an open system.

[jim_mich]

Bessler's wheel was a closed wheel, thus a closed system.

[John doe]

Wrong!
As my dear mother used to say
If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck it is a duck!
It exhibits all of the traits of an open system and none of the traits of a closed system! Thus it is an open system!