How Difficult can it be?

[rasselasss]

The bearings for the axle i can see why he said mercury as the answer .....in one of the wheels Bessler to show it was bi-directable had the assemble lifted ,turned round and set in opposite bearings...this to me would suggest capped bearings(bottom half could contain mercury)....to replace and remove and level bushed bearings in a wood structure support would be time consuming ....the caps would make it difficult to examine what was inside without tools.....as stated just an observation and worth considering....to believe everything read carte blanc from 300 odd year old edited ,translated statements wrote at a later date by quill and ink pen would in my belief would make us gullible without questioning the reasoning.

[John Collins]

Deva Ramananda, a guru apparently, created his so-called ‘dialogues’ by taking the various translations I contracted from an expert in 18th German and published, and simply embedded parts of them as if it all happened in a series of imaginary conversations. I am certain that Mike Senior’s translation did not stray far from the intentions of the writers, but I note a number of speculative interpretations included within the ‘dialogues’ which are not supported by the original words. For this reason I occasionally comment about this web site owned and written by Dr. Ramesh Kumar Menaria, that the information he provides is not to be taken without question.

As rasselasss suggests, 300 year old statements plus modern translations can introduce more than enough inaccuracy without adding elements of spiritualism and eastern mysticism.

JC

[agor95]

The bearings could have been word axle in brass shoes.

https://www.lutco.com/wood-bearings/

Wood can lubricate either like the above or naturally like Rose wood.

The wheels accelerated so friction was not a issue.

Cheers

[Georg Künstler]

from
https://orffyre.tripod.com/bessler/id41.html

and when they come to be placed together, they are so arranged that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the ‘punctum quietus’ which they unceasingly seek in their wondrous speedy flight, and one or another of them must apply its weight vertically to the axis, which in its turn will also move.

How can be a force applied vertically to the axis ? translation error ?
Where can I find the original text ?

[John Collins]

As I said above I provided all of the English translation courtesy of Mike Senior. You can put the quote on to google and you’ll find several references. I can’t remember if it’s in AP or DT. I’ll try and find the time to check and get back here with the original German.

Maybe ‘perpendicularly’ or ‘downwards’, I’m sure most people understand what he meant.

JC

[agor95]

In the Wiki link above and then in the Clue section we have

Weights applied force at right angles to the axis.

Then the text to be reviewed must apply its weight vertically to the axis.

It implies the applied weight is used on the axis via a horizontal contact.

Also the weight is increased by it's movement i.e. swing.

Cheers

[Georg Künstler]

Tarsier79 wrote:

Posted: Tue May 04, 2021 7:57 pm Post subject: re: Golden Ratio 3:5:8 Desktop Toy Wheel concept just to fil
The vertical lift on the LH side of the wheel costs more, then less then more. PE is vertical distance. The energy you get from it doesn't care about horizontal movement. Statically, vertical movement lost per nth degree supplies rotational torque.

PE is the vertical distance, so Bessler was right with the sentence vertical to the axis.
Combined with an other sentence from Bessler, it is well balanced we can create a lever with different energy content, left and right on the lever.

The lever is in balance with the forces, but not in balance with the energy content.

[daxwc]

Yes; so can you also with a very small weight on the left raise the right and even get more PE then the small weight loses in PE down.

[rasselasss]

I have a friend he's a watch/clock repairer but he has made a few wristwatches for family/friends,we were discussing Bessler,his claim to clock and watches etc.....He made an interesting comment during the conversation and about making any timepiece.He said the most difficult part was manually making the cog wheels...the pi effect 22/7.eliminating the 1/7 (dividing into the 21 full cogs)...That struck a chord with me ...could it be that simple to achieve over unity using this extra 1/7 (to shift weights in/out by the manipulation of two discs one clockwise the other anticlockwise) one innner /one outer ring...just a thought..the two discs would always be in defiance of each other).....as i said ..just a thought...

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Rasselasss,

by rasselasss » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:49 pm

I have a friend he's a watch/clock repairer but he has made a few wristwatches for family/friends,we were discussing Bessler,his claim to clock and watches etc.....He made an interesting comment during the conversation and about making any timepiece.He said the most difficult part was manually making the cog wheels...the pi effect 22/7.eliminating the 1/7 (dividing into the 21 full cogs)...That struck a chord with me ...could it be that simple to achieve over unity using this extra 1/7 (to shift weights in/out by the manipulation of two discs one clockwise the other anticlockwise) one innner /one outer ring...just a thought..the two discs would always be in defiance of each other).....as i said ..just a thought...

Maybe not exact the version your friend has thought
I have sketched up an old version of me, with a small modification a runner, as I see it.
A wobbling construction.

[agor95]

Sorry Georg

Your image reminds me when I have been staring at the computer screen to long. I just go cross-eyed and stop smiling.

Keep the faith.

[Tarsier79]

I see no reason why that would run.

[Georg Künstler]

maybe you see it now better,
The two big rings are rolling on only 2 rollers, sometimes.
The spring has two cylindrical weights on it ends which can rotate.
The mass is always top heavy, represented with the cylindrical weights.
The system is under stress by the springs, so the distance of the two ground rollers are an evident part.
Both big rings are oscillating and turning.
The mass is always off center.

[agor95]

This reminds me of vproject's steal ball bearing in an aluminium hoop.
Where the spring is a magnet.

[Tarsier79]

George, no I understood it perfectly. The spring holds the weight up, the weights apply no rotational force to the rims.

Agor, agreed. That is what I saw too.