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13 things that do not make sense

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I think we could probably add Bessler's Wheel to this list and make it 14.

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13 things that do not make sense
NewScientist.com news service

1. The placebo effect
"We have a lot to learn about what is happening here, Benedetti says, but one thing is clear: the mind can affect the body's biochemistry."

2. The horizon problem
"A variation in the speed of light could solve the problem, but this too is impotent in the face of the question 'why?'"

3. Ultra-energetic cosmic rays
"One possibility is that there is something wrong with the Akeno results. Another is that Einstein was wrong"

4. Belfast homeopathy results
"If the results turn out to be real, she says, the implications are profound: we may have to rewrite physics and chemistry."

5. Dark matter
"Astronomical observations suggest that dark matter must make up about 90 per cent of the mass in the universe, yet we are astonishingly ignorant what that 90 per cent is."

6. Viking's methane
"Something on Mars is ingesting nutrients, metabolising them and then belching out radioactive methane"

7. Tetraneutrons
"These bodies, which contain an enormous number of bound neutrons, suggest that as yet unexplained forces come into play when neutrons gather en masse."

8. The Pioneer anomaly
"Some possible explanations have already been ruled out, including software errors, the solar wind or a fuel leak. If the cause is some gravitational effect, it is not one we know anything about. In fact, physicists are so completely at a loss that some have resorted to linking this mystery with other inexplicable phenomena."

9. Dark energy
"One suggestion is that some property of empty space is responsible - cosmologists call it dark energy. But all attempts to pin it down have fallen woefully short."

10. The Kuiper cliff
"If you travel out to the far edge of the solar system, into the frigid wastes beyond Pluto, you'll see something strange."

11. The Wow signal
"It was either a powerful astronomical event - or an advanced alien civilisation beaming out a signal"

12. Not-so-constant constants
"If the observations are correct, the only vaguely reasonable explanation is that a constant of physics called the fine structure constant, or alpha, had a different value at the time the light passed through the clouds."

13. Cold fusion
"After 16 years, it's back. In fact, cold fusion never really went away. Over a 10-year period from 1989, US navy labs ran more than 200 experiments to investigate whether nuclear reactions generating more energy than they consume - supposedly only possible inside stars - can occur at room temperature. Numerous researchers have since pronounced themselves believers."

http://www.newscientistspace.com/articl ... 524911.600
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1. The placebo effect
"We have a lot to learn about what is happening here, Benedetti says, but one thing is clear: the mind can affect the body's biochemistry."
Perhaps this problem resolves when the mind is observed as a product of the body's biochemistry.
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Yes but to me that sounds sort of like a reverse of the old "correlation implies causation" fallacy. If the mind is just a product of biochemistry, then how can it be in control?
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How do you know the mind is in control?
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The well-documented effectiveness of the placebo effect seems to lean that way, no?
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Certainly it proves that the mind can have biological effects, eg: stress. Yes, that's a little control - but on the whole I think biochemistry rules.
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How about this:
"There are even reports of people becoming addicted to placebos."
http://skepdic.com/placebo.html
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I think it's fairly well documented that people can become addicted to any emotions that deliver a biochemical hit. Injecting addicts sometimes shoot up water when there is no other option - because it makes them feel better by lowering their stress. The water shouldn't have any biochemical effect on them, yet it does.
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Well, at least we can all probably agree that this thread already belongs in the Off-Topic forum.
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Yep
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Just curious Bill, are you saying you think the whole list is bogus or just the first entry?
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Just my opinion Scott - not saying anything is bogus :)
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The chemical state of the brain can be altered two ways. If you take chemicals or if your emotional state changes. There are very powerful chemicals in the brain that can be released when your emotional state changes. There's a pain killer in your brain more powerful (x45 aprox.) than morphine.

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The three major categories of substances that act as neurotransmitters are (1) amino acids (primarily glutamic acid, GABA, aspartic acid & glycine), (2) peptides (vasopressin, somatostatin, neurotensin, etc.) and (3) monoamines (norepinephrine, dopamine & serotonin) plus acetylcholine. The major "workhorse" neurotransmitters of the brain are glutamic acid (=glutamate) and GABA. The monoamines & acetylcholine perform specialized modulating functions, often confined to specific structures. The peptides perform specialized functions in the hypothalamus or act as co-factors elsewhere in the brain. [For a well-organized categorization of neurotransmitters, see Neurotransmitter (Wikipedia).]
Serotonin neurotransmitter neurons are located in the raphe nuclei. The caudal (closer to the "tail") nucleus projects largely to the medulla and spinal cord for the regulation of pain perception.
When these chemicals are released in the brain they could relieve symptoms or even cure you. In my opinion the placebo effect is real.

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Although the "placebo effect" is not observed in animals, it certainly has been observed many times in human beings.

The unconscious mind actually controls, via the nervous system, every cell in one's body. If the unconscious mind is convinced that a placebo substance (like a sugar pill) is a cure for cancer, it will make subtle changes in the body that increase the probability of the cancer being destroyed. It also works the other way. If the unconscious mind is convinced that something is harmful, it will produced changes in the body that will mimic what the harmful effects are supposed to be. If the placebo effect was not real, then neither would be hypnosis. Yet, hypnosis is officially recognized by the medical establishment as being a real effect.

This is why I always tell people to have a positive attitude. If you start acting like you are truly going to achieve something, then your chances of doing so will be greatly increased. Many people in life, sadly, talk themselves into being failures or settling for less than they deserve.

Of course, luck also plays a big role in life. All of the positive attitude in the world may not achieve success if one's luck does not hold up. However, even when one does not get the breaks in one endeavor, maintaining a positive attitude can be critical to making one's next endeavor a success.

What does this all have to do with the quest for PM? A LOT. About 99% of all PM seekers will, after repeated failures and the incessant negativity of the scientific orthodoxy with regard to the subject, finally give up and conclude that it is either impossible or that they just do not have what it takes to be successful. This kind of "stinking thinking" has to be avoided at all costs.


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