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[Dwylbtzle]

[Andyb]

Aman and Dwylbtzle hi,its good to hear like minds and even better to hear a plan Aman,i see Jim mich has pulled up some old blogs concerning forming a co op i think i will read through these and speak to you later,all the best gentlemen,Andy b

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[Furcurequs]

Okay, I believe I can do a few simple demonstrations and talk my way through a few thought experiments and show that I'm dealing with simple concepts even explainable using Newton's Laws.

...and then say, "Put these things together like this, and what do we have?

Yes! A gravity powered device!

...but I don't yet have an actual device fully built and tested to truly demonstrate the reality of such a notion.

I am working on that, though, as best I can while also struggling with severe chronic pain.

Anyway, the patent office would, of course, require an actual working device before they would accept such a claim and award a patent, so I don't really know what that would mean about an SIR.

I personally feel, though, that if you just throw a truly viable idea out there without an actual working model and the demand for your full intellectual property rights, if it were actually recognized for what it was, you would just be putting it into the hands of the current powers that be.

You would be offering your gift to the guards at the gates of the castles of the "principalities" of this world to do with as they saw fit.

I would much rather offer the world an actual "working" device and claim my full legal rights to my intellectual property so that I could then sell to the rich and give to the poor - trying to get the technology into the hands of those who could use it most. (...and maybe even try to help motivate some people to start beating their swords into plowshares, too.)

How many people would have the time, the materials, the tools and the skill to build their own devices, anyway?

(...not to mention that you apparently haven't been bothered to try to build but a small demonstration model yourself after, what, years? Simple ideas aren't always so simple once you have to deal with the reality of having to design and build something that actually works - even if you know what you are trying to do.)

Who here makes their own automobiles, furniture, kitchen appliances, dishware, cups and saucers, cooking pots and pans, computers, and/or whatever?

Any device worth building and having is going to be manufactured and that means someone will be making a profit. Do you really want it to be the current powers that be in this world? ...and the kind of people who would prop up dimwitted, attention seeking, political whore "puppets" for us to "choose" from to be our so-called "leaders" - and who would also promote despicable wars over access to resources and for the funneling of money into the hands of the military-industrial-(congressional) complex while but pretending it's about our own protection and about upholding our ideals.

I'm sick of seeing dishonest, greedy, corrupt, pretentious, warmongering psychopaths or the sad and pathetically ignorant individuals who would be deceived by them being looked up to as if they're some sort of heroes. I don't even consider these people to be real men (or women) - much less heroes (or heroines).

I'm angry, and though God knows I certainly have some faults and weaknesses of my own, I believe that in this at least, considering all the unnecessary suffering and bloodshed that has resulted even to include that of the most innocent (whatever their religion, nationality or color), mine is a truly righteous anger.

..anyway.. ...enough of that for now...

In regards to going public without an undeniably working device, though...

I remember when Pons and Fleishman went public with their cold fusion claims (apparently now over 23 years ago). They made headline news around the world for, of course, such a thing would have been an answer to the world's energy problems. ...and almost immediately government, university and corporate labs were trying to replicate their device based upon what information they could discern from the initial reports.

People from MIT (and maybe elsewhere) were within a matter of days, I think, even applying for patents of their own on the potentially new technology! They were trying to get a piece of the action for themselves on someone else's stuff and without even knowing if it worked or not!

Of course, though, none of that has seemingly (yet?) panned out - even if some people are still coming up with theories and experiments along the same lines here over two decades later.

So, if your (our?) idea is so simple, why not just build it and then stand up and try to do what needs to be done to change the world? The powers that be aren't going to bother with people who have devices that only seem to run in their own heads, anyway. The only reason people paid such attention to Pons and Fleishman was that they were already recognized scientists (and so were therefore assumed to be both sane and trustworthy) who actually did have at least something to show which they claimed to work (whether it actually worked as claimed or not).

Anyway, just some of my thoughts.

Good luck with whatever path you choose.

Dwayne

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[Dwylbtzle]

I don't think "the powers that be" want to make anything and use this idea, that i have, for themselves--because it's SO simple i can't believe they don't already know about it

i think they only want to keep ANYONE from doing it

i have taken some precautions, so that if anything happens to me, the idea will be revealed
meanwhile i'm working on the mechanics of how it could be launched

when i get that nailed down i'll get back to y'all

meanwhile let me just say that it doesn't matter if gravity is a conservative enegy or not
this will still work--and you can make it work a wheel if you want
and maybe bessler did
but i think there's a more efficient way than a wheel

this is 16th century technology, i'm talking about
so if anyone here has a fair machine shop and a fair amount of expertise--maybe i can arrange to reveal it to that person
and we can make a working model

i just don't have those two things
and i don't trust just anyone to hire them to do it

i might trust someone here who's already proven they are commited to this whole thing for years now

that's why i joined two years ago and have just been watching y'all

others are watching you, also
i guarantee it
so watch what you say here

actually i think we should all kinda keep our mouths kinda shut about specifics
generalities: fine
but if yer truly on the right track then specifics wouldn't be a good idea on the weirdworldweb

[Andyb]

Gentlemen,the patent world has always perplexed me i am more of a builder than anything ,but in reality a patent is the only real way to go forward,what i would love is to form a way of working as a team relieving me of the pressure of the paperwork,which i find dull to say the least,but more to the point find the right people to share the burden with and ultimately love the journey ,may be this is possible ,maybe anything is possible,what am i saying i believe in the wheel so why not in forming a happy business making power stations and funding others to build even better tec to solve other problems ,got to go gut a design to consider,all the best Andy.cheers .

[jim_mich]

[Mark]

For those of you that have either the 14th or 15th editions of Patent It Yourself, Mr. Pressman has a blog containing updates to them.

He gives step-by-step navigation instructions to his analysis of the America Invents Act that was passed last September, but to save a little time, here's the direct link.

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[Aman]

Thanks for the valuable information Jim,definately very much helpful for me.

[Dwylbtzle]

[Aman]

Wow that's excellent,my invention,the gravity engine which I would like to patent needs some electronics to control it.Making a gravity wheel without Hi Tech electronics is actually not very easy.

[Dwylbtzle]

actually, that top ten list i posted is kinda lame:
bessler only makes number three on the list

beat out by "who was benjamin franklin's mother"
and "what kinda glue was stradavarius sniffing?"
those are the two most pressing issues in MY life

but that's the only reason i even know about bessler and his wheel
i was googling something about bowie knives, and damascus steel-
-and that thing about james black the knife maker was one of the top ten
secrets on the list
so i had to read the whole list, of course, and the bessler thing was in there
(at number three--sheesh!)
i saw the idea i have before i knew about the wheel
i'm just guessing bessler was using the same principle

actually
trying to figure out his supposed method of weights and gears and leuvers
starts to give me a headache--i'm sure the pendulum must have
something to do with it

discovering him was exciting because it confirmed what i suspected:
someone has seen this before--(the principle, at least, anyway)

here's a hint
question:
if it's in a place where the wind always blows steadily one directon at the
same speed, is a windmill a perpetual motion machine?
no-not technically-because it uses an outside force
but for all intents and purposes it really is
gravity is a wind -a river
that always flows--and at a steady clip--always in one direction
(that's why one can never go back in time--only foreward
because gravity only pulls in one direction)
but that never stopped someone from making a windmill
or waterwheel

there's just this little trick...

they say bessler went mad
imagine he was right--and it wasn't a hoax
and imagine he knew that if he told his secret
the netherlands would probably land on the moon in 1821
but he couldn't tell anyone
poor bastard
oh well

[Aman]

Well Dwylbtzle,
what is your opinion on Gravity as a OR not as a ,conservative force?

[Dwylbtzle]

it doesn't matter, because it isn't a force

a thing wants to go down because time runs a little slower there
(towards any mass--because any concentration of mass slows down time a tiny bit)
and since there is NO force stopping it--it HAS to go that direction
because more of that thing's future lies in that direction
and more of its past lies in the other
so it isn't GOING in that direction
it's ISing in that direction
and who shall let it?
therefore if you have a box with some kinda bessler/type gravity wheel in it
there is no gravity beam or gravitron stream or frequency or current
going into it, from the earth
that's causing any gravity effect you might be seeing
nothing that can be reversed with crafty electronics, er wartever
but there is a purely mechanical way to tap it
just as there are various purely mechanical ways to tap a wind flow or water stream