BesslerWheel.com

[rlortie]

[ovyyus]

Well Ralph, I have my doubts about the value of scammers. So many doubts I'd stomp them in a heartbeat! IMO, the discussed reputation system won't stop them plying their trade and occassionally succeeding. Weeding is good.

PS my sig isn't just for you.

[Oxygon]

[jim_mich]

There's a difference between a person's intelligence and a person's education.

There's a difference between a person's reputation and a person's character.

[ovyyus]

Yes Jim, a person can even have one without the other.

[scott]

[coylo]

[jim_mich]

What if... someone built a wheel based on a design that most everyone knows won't work. But due to a quirk of poor construction it produced a tiny bit more output than consumed by friction, that is it barely worked. That person thought if it was built bigger it would work better. He went looking for and found some financial help. He didn't know enough physics to understand his wheel. His bigger wheel didn't work better, maybe not at all? And a well-built wheel according to his plans won't work at all.

My question, is that person a "Conman" or should he be considered "Disregarded and disrespected" because of his actions?

I think it best to shy away from labeling someone a Conman?

Just my opinion.

[Jonathan]

You could change #3 to "concensus: conman", and then add a #4, to be used more sparingly, that would be what coylo said #3 should be. Jim's hypothetical guy would be in the new #3 category, and could be downgraded to #4 if it could be proven that even his original sloppy model didn't work.

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[ovyyus]

I really don't understand how the proposed ratings system would help stop scammers. I think it might be useful as a tool to moderate episodic behavior and other basically honest personal flaws. But IMO that's not even a problem on this board.

Dealing with an obviously fraudulent individual is a different matter entirely, one that no reputation system will correct or modify. So what if they come back in a new disguise? There's nothing stopping them doing that now. As has been said already they'd probably do that anyway if they saw an imposed rep system hindering their activity.

I still say the best and only way to deal with a known fraudster is to blow them away - and it sends other parasites the right message. K.I.S.S.

[Silver Eyes]

I think the real problem comes from the reputation system grades coming from peoples opinions. People can be biased. It should be more mathematical, if there is to be one at all.
How bout this. Profiles of the most prolific posters, and of the most often to post posters. I see it as a frame with their picture in it, placed in a gallery section. A visitor or member can browse this gallery, like a museum and click on one of these peoples profiles. That would take them to a menu that has statistics about that person and have a comment section where they put in any information they want to, what their opinions are. These opinions can of course be anything and can include what they feel about certain other members. The proposed system is going to be opinion based anyway, instead of outright labeling someone by general consensus have it done like this.
Ex. Oyyvus. -click-
Picture (whatever)
Web site
I like Bessler because of....
Beware of Darrel Van. because of....
ETC.

The opinions of people are already up on these threads but the threads go away into the past. A gallery is more permanent.

[ovyyus]

Hi Silver Eyes (spooky name), what you propose kind of aready exists in the form of a members profile page. Click on any username. With the addition of a text box that displays entries for general viewing such as comments, interests, links, etc, it might be close to what you propose.

Of course, it's not usually the most thrilling experience clicking through member profile pages considering that most members, up to now, seem to avoid including even the most basic information about themselves. Hint, hint ;)

[Silver Eyes]

Hi Ovyyus, I meant like a gallery picture museum though thats has it's own section so it's easy to see.

There could be four or more ways to merit such a place in the museum.

Bessler patrons. These would be people like yourself that have made websites towards Bessler.
Bessler philosopheres. People who often comment on and give out ideas.
Scotties (as in star trek) People who lend a technical assistace to others.
Hang buddies. People who make a lot of posts no matter what the content.

[Guest]

[ovyyus]

Hey Ralph, I see Silver Eyes (still think it's a spooky name) has given us a more complete profile in the last 10 days (there was nothing to go on before)...

Occupation: Loner
Interests: Surfer of the Silver Sea

What more could you ask for :D

I think his eyes are Silver because they reflect the Sea.