Only for those who don't know everything about gravity !!! :)

[thx4]

Anti-Gravity :)

https://youtu.be/xlV_DPdu8DI


explanation :
https://youtu.be/bfh7KY1XoOI

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[gravitationallychallenged]

That was a very thought provoking video, thx4! The top of the slinky moved before the bottom because the bottom had to wait until the spring tension was gone before it could begin to fall. The ball fell at the same speed as the slinky when dropped from the same height as the center of gravity of the slinky which proves once again that the speed of gravity is constant regardless of weight.

[MrVibrating]

You can simplify an inverted version of the same effect without needing a slinky, by simply applying a 1 G acceleration vertically between any two masses in free-fall; or equivalently, apply say a 9.81 N force vertically between two free masses, making the upper one 1 kg and the lower one anything; either way, the upper mass hovers suspended in mid-air, against the inertia of the lower, descending mass.

I've long found that interaction fascinating as it's effectively an inertial interaction between two free masses, in response to which only one of them is actually accelerating with respect to the ground reference frame... in other words, an effective violation of Newton's 3rd law in the ground frame, albeit gravitationally augmented. Of course, in the gravitating frame the two masses are both accelerating away from one another... just as, in the slinky example, the two ends of the spring are racing towards one another..

So that, IMHO, is the fascinating take-home from this now-famous experiment; that brief window into an inertial interaction in the gravitating, rather than our more-familiar ground frame of reference.

Indeed, it can be shown mathematically that the underlying effect of sinking counter-momentum to gravity and time must underlie whatever the exploit Bessler was using in his wheels..

[Georg Künstler]

The simplified version is only the mass/mass pendulum which will result in an undamped oscillation.

There is nothing more required.
For what you use the undamped oscillation is on an other page.

You see what MrVibrating is writing, 2 moving masses.
One is at the beginning swinging(starting with a finger pust/pull), and the other will respond.
As both are responding due to gravity, both begin to swing, oscillate in the gravity field. they have an offset of 180 degrees.
Both masses float

The second weight is forming the bow, which Bessler has described.
A force on a rope is variating during the swinging of a pendulum.

Both masses are swinging, one is arranging the other.
The relation of the masses is 4:1 does not count, one ounce more or less does not count, Bessler said.

There is only one condition what must be taken into account.
The pendulum mass must be higher than the mass which is forming the bow.

We don't hurt any of Newton's laws, both masses are accelerated and oscillate with an offset of 180 degrees. An overlay of two oscillations, nothing more.

The function is covered from any simulation program from today.
The simulation program will throw you an error after some seconds because the function is an undamped oscillation.

[gravitationallychallenged]

Those are very interesting and useful observations, MrVibrating and Georg!

One of the men who witnessed Bessler preparing his wheel for a demonstration saw him push down on a spring and then heard a loud clunk when it was released, so it was apparent that he used springs to help shift the positions of the weights within his wheel.

In the video we watched, the visual anomaly created when dropping an extended spring in a gravitational field was due to the energy being released that was stored in the spring. Bessler created an anomaly within his wheels by suspending weights between springs, 180 degrees across from each other. Since they were aided by springs, the weights became much easier to lift.

The name he used, Orffyre, was created by an 180 degree cypher of the alphabet. He used that name to taunt his critics and hint at the design of the mechanisms within his wheels. "Are you still without understanding?"

[thx4]

I think if someone finds it now or later lol, it will be hard to say "yes it's Bessler", but we'll always find a match with who knows what.
With all the clues, all the leads, and at the same time it's very simple it seems, there is enough to discourage the best intentions.
I congratulate Virgin Galactic, for its exploit of this Week end, but inside it is only science, with perseverance of the technique and finances all is possible with time and a little of dream also...
But we are very different, at the beginning it is already impossible, unless we know or see a flaw in the basic physics. But we still have a small thick cloud, with a balancing act to develop, a movement of permanent imbalance maintained by a pulse (hello Georg) that remains to be put in place. I don't know if I'll succeed, a few years ago I was more sure. (smile).

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[Georg Künstler]

Hi gravitationallychallenged,
Bessler used the method Rot13

https://gc.de/gc/rot13/


So that has nothing to do with 180 degrees

[unstable]

Hello everyone, interesting posts.
Georg, in a circular system, with rot13 coding, the letters are exactly 180 ° from each other. 26 letters of the alphabet (360 °) divided by two = 180 ° as this image clearly demonstrates.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Cir ... _330521841

[gravitationallychallenged]

Hi Georg- A 180 degree configuration would produce an oscillation between one side of the wheel and the other side. If the configuration isn't 180 degrees it could be designed to produce a rotating oscillation, similar to the rotating field Nikola Tesla invented within his revolutionary A/C poly phase electric motors. That would look like a star-shaped configuration. A rotating oscillation would have the advantage of being able to select at what point of rotation the weights would rise and fall. The only way for us to discover what works is to build prototypes. I believe a spring assisted mechanism is crucial to producing a functioning wheel. With springs the mechanism can be made to oscillate fast enough to keep up with the wheel's rotation. They would also assist in the lifting of the weights.

[thx4]

https://youtu.be/ldhqxATvL9Y?t=179
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[Leafy]

Thx thx4,

Just what I need to crack the code.lol

I think the slinky experiment shows that a static force can be replace with an accelerating mass. The reason the bottom does not fall because the top is accelerating downward due to tension in addition to gravity.

[agor95]

Thx thx4,

Just what I need to crack the code.lol

I think the slinky experiment shows that a static force can be replace with an accelerating mass. The reason the bottom does not fall because the top is accelerating downward due to tension in addition to gravity.

I have been thinking to long on another thread. As a result my perception of reality is a little but equivalent to your own.

The bottom of the slinky is accelerating up and matches that of the ground.
A dynamic process which we perceive as the constant static force.
The centre of the slinky is in free fall as the forces along the slinky cancel each other out. The top of the slinky is in free fall with an extra pull due to the extension of the slinky along it's length.

It does look like the extra acceleration down on the top section acts like a counter force to replace the act of holding the slinky top in position.

This reminds me of ice cubes melting in water. For the water temperature hold position when heated until all the ice has melted.

Therefore a section of the slinky holds position until all the tension is released above that section.

P.S. There is more to gravity than an acceleration, but that is another presentation.

[Leafy]

This might not work the way I think.

Can we replace the slinky with a spring and mass?

Can we have a sim to see if this is observed in sim?

[eccentrically1]

A slinky is a spring. More mass at the end won't make a difference.

[Leafy]

I have two masses and a spring system. As soon as you release the top mass, the spring start to contract. The force on the spring reduce instantly. This mean the bottom mass experience lesser tension right away and start to fall.

However, if you have series of mass and springs tie together, you will able to simulate anti-gravity.
Now how can we exploit this to make a wheel.