Besslers prime mover and its enabler.

[Roxaway59]

Hi Fletcher / Tarsier79, my last post disappeared lol so don't know where that went. Basically I was just saying I would like to just post more sims even if they don't work just to get ideas moving.

I think I see where you are coming from Fletcher and I have spent a great deal of time thinking about other ways of doing things. We are dealing with an unknown so its never a good idea to assume too much. I would have to say if it turned out to be some brand new principal that was like nothing else I would be surprised but it would make sense seeing as how illusive it is. I've always felt that its a combination of known things and maybe used in an unusual way.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

Also Fletcher I should just point out once again that on the issue of raising weights fast my wheel approach is good if I could find a way of doing it.
Graham

[Fletcher]

I have no doubt that all the components to his wheels are well known and easily recognizable - for starters B. says so, and also Karl said it was easy to understand and simple to build - for Karl to say that to his ministers etc requires a level of mundane familiarity to all who should witness it ( including women and children ? ) - i.e. the "tools", not the method of application, which was easy to grasp once seen in action exercising their roles, imo ..

[Roxaway59]

Here is a better example of the upwards action I was thinking of Fletcher. Its running at 10 rpm and you can see quite a movement in the blue weight.

I'm going to start putting forward ideas in the hope that a definite picture builds up of what Bessler did. It will mainly be based on Algodoo and WM2D. I will have a description of the sim and other relevant information then the sim itself. I will start that later today.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

This is the way I want to lay things out as I show these simulations -

Description - Wheel that contains pendulums with shifting weights. The wheel seems to be able to regulate its speed in the Algodoo simulation.

Over unity in Algodoo - Yes

Over unity in WM2D - No

Size - 2 M

Maintains a steady rpm - Yes

Contains springs - Yes

Makes a tapping noise - It can do this.

Miscellaneous -

My main interest in this simulation is the way it seems to regulate its speed in the Algodoo simulation. It does increase its speed in WM2D after the motor is turned off but the speed drops back down. Is there a way to maintain a speed increase in WM2D?

[Roxaway59]

Just remember to turn the motor off in Algodoo. The speed will steadily increase and then wont go any further.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

This Algodoo one is laid out slightly different but the same idea. Some air resistance is needed to keep it more steady. You can see that as the pendulums rock it losses speed.
Graham

[Fletcher]

Jut something to think about ..

Two people tried to reproduce B's. wheels performances and solve his mechanical application method for PM ..

Wagner .. and .. John Rowley ..

See wikipedia and JC's PM-AAMS?

Wagner was a skilled mechanic amongst other things, and wrote his detailed critiques which we know well, and built his spring powered wind up wheel that was slow ..

Rowley was a renowned UK scientific instrument maker, and maker of a fine geared orrery ( tellurium or planetary model ) - he spent the rest of his life trying to make a PM wheel based on what he had seen of B's. demonstrations ..

Both were masters of "instruments and applications" involving MA imo .. they were men of experience and knowledge and still they could not find a workaround by manipulating MA ..

[Roxaway59]

Yes and I’ve thought about that Fletcher because its an important point.

If it is possible to build an over unity wheel why have true craftsmen and highly educated people failed?

Here are some possible answers to that question -

1) Bessler was a fraudster and there is nothing to discover.

2) Learned people have found it from time to time but the dark forces I have spoke about stop the knowledge from spreading.

3) Finding the answer is not just about skill level and how much you know or even how persistent you are.

I don’t believe the first one. The second one is a very real possibility and other technology is definitely being hidden. The third one is also true because there is no doubt in my opinion that Bessler wasn’t as good a crafts man as some of these other people.

Lets just say that apart from luck it takes a person with certain qualities in their personality to come up with something like this.
Graham

[Fletcher]

You should find this interesting Rox ..

Controlled phase timing oscillation amplified energy ( my words ) ..


https://newatlas.com/energy/corpower-wavespring/

[Roxaway59]

Hi Fletcher, correct me if I'm wrong but is this simulation something along the same lines? The energy of the wave is lifting the buoy upwards and the mechanism inside is behaving like a dynamic dampener. In my simulation that would be the spring.
Graham

[Fletcher]

I guess so Graham - I just quickly read it and moved on .. the main point of interest for me being that it was using a timed reinforcing principle to amplify the upward movement of the buoy making it extremely efficient compared to normal wave buoys IINM ..

Still needs the pulsed wave energy input, just collecting and using more of it productively ..

[MrTim]

Lets just say that apart from luck it takes a person with certain qualities in their personality to come up with something like this.
Graham

Luck (or accident ;-) is a big part of it. But persistence is the main quality, you can't discover anything if you don't keep going... ;-)

[Roxaway59]

Hi MrTim, Yes if I was going to pick the main qualities persistence, never giving up would be one of them. What goes hand in hand with persistence though is being methodical. Its possible to doggedly try to do something and get nowhere because of constantly going about it in a disorganized way and I know that I have been guilty of that.
Graham

[Fletcher]

Persistence beats resistance .. but not if we keep repeating lessons ..