State your oppinion on energy this year.

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Is extra or reserve energy needed for a working wheel ?

Poll ended at Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:10 pm

Yea
32
80%
Nay
8
20%
 
Total votes: 40

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State your oppinion on energy this year.

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What is your oppinion based on the failures you observed in the past ( your failures included ) , as of today on the new year moving forwards ?
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Ps. Public seems to be able to vote.
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The wheel will only work by banking up energy in a spring and releasing it. It runs as a machine that exploits the difference between kinetic and potential energy. There is no other way to utilize gravity alone to power something. Everyone should get used to utilizing springs and impacts in their wheels. If they don't the wheels will never run.

Also, keep in mind that the wheels were weak and Karl switched to steam power.
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Impacts will not run your wheel. Impacts introduce oscillation (bad). Ignoring the forces and speeds involved, that alone will disrupt the internal workings, requiring more (and complicated) regulating mechanisms to keep them all synchronized (good luck with that... ;-)
On the other hand, if you do want to use impacts, you need to bleed off the force to minimize rebound. This must be done in the direction of wheel rotation, with the force redirected toward the sides of the wheel (i.e. parallel to the axle. A simple 'V' catch works.)
I speak from experience here... ;-)
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State your opinion on energy this year?

Is extra or reserve energy needed for a working wheel ?

There are three questions and only two responses Yes or No.

To answer the my opinion question on 'Energy' that is year independent.

The word 'Energy' is a human construct to quantify the ability to change
the movement of one inertial mass by another.

This construct does not have meaning at all scales of study.

The second 'Extra energy needed for a working wheel'

Lets unpack that a device accelerates to an operational stable speed can be considered working.
Could be rotating or translating in it's motion.

Some of that motion will be lost to motivating air etc; considered not part of the device.

Therefore extra motivation is needed. In this context I am restricting to motivation of one inertial mass is caused by another.

The third 'Reserve energy needed for a working wheel'

A device to acceleration more needs to be in acceleration to start with.

To unpack this; all objects that experience weight are accelerating.
However the acceleration is normally uniform across the device/object.

Therefore there is reserved energy in the system with or without a 'Yes' or 'No'

So the 'Yes' goes to the second question.

The extra energy comes from the scale of interaction where energy has no meaning.

Happy New Year
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I am somewhat surprised at the poll thus far.
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I am somewhat surprised at the question.
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We seem divided in oppinion about what makes a working wheel work according to those numbers (maby its unrealistic votes) ...
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jb, I have to admit I don't know what reverse energy is --------------Sam
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Reserve , like a reserve tank of fuel , reserve energy/extra energy , more energy .
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Right. Sorry about that, can't read----------------------Sam
Sure, why not? The more the better. Or do you mean energy other than that from gravity?
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Impacts do work in the wheel. Its critical for banking the energy.

You must impact at precisely the right point but the impacts do not directly drive the wheel.
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JUBAT,
Impacts might work but, what are you going to hit it with? A sledge hammer? Or if there is a way, I don't know how to do it----Sam
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Did this Poll have a purpose?

Did it achieve that purpose?

Where is the author for comment?
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agor95 wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:42 pm Did this Poll have a purpose?

Did it achieve that purpose?

Where is the author for comment?
Its all self explanatory , its a poll , questions are asked with some possible answers , people vote , we look at the numbers and go mmmmm , each to their own , me personally -im just curious how many people accept/deny the need for more energy after all the failures so far.
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