Re: excess weight


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Posted by Øystein Rustad (217.70.229.196) on March 04, 2003 at 18:53:56:

In Reply to: excess weight posted by gill simo on March 04, 2003 at 05:06:07:

Hello !
I would start to say :no offence,but just trying discuss PM :-)
You wrote :
"Besslers theory of excess weight was NOT some design whereby excess weight,in the way in which we all know and understand it, magically appeared somewhere in the top half of his wheel."

Why not?? (Of course not magically)

You say:
It can`t be so because someoneelse would have done it, and he would have wrote different statements...(my understanding of what you wrote)

"you cant overweight a wheel permanently in this traditional sense of `overweighting` "

I still would say that excess weight = excess torque * distance!

The problem you adress in text and not math is Newtons laws..
It is W = m*g*h , up and/or down.

In traditional sense (old PM attempts) it would mean that moving weights horisontally ONLY creates potential torque, but torque * distance will always be the same as M*G*H, and sinceaweight can`t fall longer than its lifted, the answer is 0

If Bessler made his wheel constant overbalance from weights, he would first of all have to make the falling weights fall a longer vertical distance than they are risen BY THE WHEEL !.

If he succeeded in that, that would be ONE OF HIS principles of perpetual motion...

He actually knew a way to do that,and to use the Newtonian laws
to do this. Its in Machinen Tractate and it is simple.
Now we already have trouble using Newtons laws as a simple formula for disproving PM, we can start to call it our own principle.. I would have done that.

I am shure that Bessler new that a falling weight can only supply one amount of work pr. vertical distance, either to the wheel (torque * distance) OR to lift another weight.
He would emideatly spot (by experimenting for 10 years)
a function where the weight could fall higher than they are lifted by external forces (negative torque * distance)and he would call it one of his OWN principles...I guess..

Think of this, anyone please answer if you like :-) :
Do you think weights can fall from a higher plane than you lifted them by external work ?
without springs...


Øystein




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