Posted by Darren (65.35.124.63) on May 18, 2003 at 18:58:12:
In Reply to: A Question/Challenge for Darren posted by John Lindsay on May 18, 2003 at 15:28:32:
>Well of course I hope your design works and congrats if it does
Thanks!
>since there is more than one way to get a self rotational wheel. Trust me on that!
Not trying to be a jerk or anything but trust doesn't cut it, only physical proof. That's why I'm finally doing something real, because I never wanted to be all talk.
>The question is how do you know that this is the Bessler design?
Well obviously nobody will ever know for sure, but it fits every written description and clue I've ever read... so I believe it's his design or something extremely close.
>You just said that your design is complex and so forth.
Design I is complex, yes, but Design II is much simpler. I never claimed that Design I *was* Bessler's design, but I do believe that it employed the same "principle" that his did to make it work. Design II also employs that principle AND it's simple AND it fits all the descriptions and clues... therefore I believe my Design II is very similar if not identical to his uni-directional wheel design (easily modifiable to fit the bi-directional descriptions).
>Personally I would have never suggested that my "design concept" for the Liberotor was his idea if I hadn't asked a couple of the most accurate channelled information sources I could find and they said that this was Johanns' idea.
So... it's not good enough to find a way to produce OU, now it's a contest, a question of which design is closer to Besslers? Whatever. Silly to play a game that can't ever be won, nobody knows what his design was so... there can never be way to prove it was his design or not.
I have a design, it's simple, it's clean, the behaviors match everything written on the web about Bessler's wheel... you decide for yourself if it's truly Bessler's design or not... I don't really care all that much whether it is or not. I think it is, but I just think it's cool that OU is possible.
>Now you may say that "I don't believe in that stuff", or unscientific! or whatever.
Why would I say that? I have pointed out many fatal flaws in many designs over the past couple years... that doesn't mean I "don't believe in that stuff."
>To me this would mean that you are just "unfamiliar" with non-mainstream forms of communication.
What? Non-mainstream forms of communications? You mean like telepathy? What the heck are you talking about?
>You have to understand how consciousness works and the zeal with which the ego and intellect exert their influence, along with your "beliefs" and "dictate" the parameters of your identity. You have to love those parts of the human psyche for what they are, yet let them know they do not have the whole picture beyond 5-senses only perception. There are other aspects of consciousness that are your birthright that are Off-line at the moment. You could look at it as a self aware focus that is thoroughly entranced in an Outside universe when there is an Inside universe also, beyond the usual perceptions. For those who are ready to take the next step in the evolution of human consciousness I would suggest familiarizing yourself with a more comprehensive view of reality. Sure, there are people out there who think they are from the planet Zongo and so forth.
I'm starting to think you're from planet Zongo.
>Remember all information is either clouded or clarified by the recipient. In the end it is just you and the Universe, don't worry about some-one elses decipherment.
It's just me and the Universe... how cool is that! So I can safely ignore all your commments and "decipherment."
>As to the design for the Liberotor, your criticism does not hold water.
For those of you who care... see http://www.besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/messages/834.html to read what John is talking about.
>There IS no formula for the tensional characteristics of the bottom half of this weight arrangement so PULLLLEASE do not argue something that isn't arguable.
Why does my arguing the point bother you... If it's just you and the Universe and my "decipherment" doesn't matter then you should be able to safely and easily ig besides it is the "Design Concept" that I am talking about.
Okay, so you want bragging rights to be ther person who figured out Bessler's "principle"? The basic idea behind his wheel. Fine. It's all yours. You can have all the bragging rights you want... I'm working on a real wheel. If it works then it's a moot point, isn't it?
>So, for the sake of historical accuracy, ask a gifted psychic or trance channel entity which design concept is the one for the Bessler wheel. ST8UND John
Ahh... I see now... you consulted psychics through "non-mainstream communication channels" to find the secret of Bessler's wheel design... and... I should do the same? Or else I'm not qualified to make any claims?
You are from planet Zorgo :-)
Darren