Re: Anyone see this?

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Posted by Lurker (66.222.48.140) on June 03, 2003 at 16:23:23:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone see this? posted by Darren on June 03, 2003 at 13:51:34:

: Wow, this post was pretty strong... why would you take exception? Do you know him?

I don't know him, and I have never seen his machine except in the photos. Based upon what I have seen in those photos, though, his machine DOES produce an unballanced COG, which should produce motion without an outside energy input.

: I wouldn't call it a scam because he doesn't appear to be looking for money or anything... yet.

Exactly true.

: His claim does sound very suspicious though, and he obviously lied about some things so... who knows... maybe it is a scam.

We all lie about some things Darren, including YOU. I will point out that YOUR claims are even MORE suspicious at this point than are those of Techstuff. Nevertheless, I am willing to give both of you the benefit of the doubt... for now.

: I have. It doesn't work.

So you say. You may be right, but you may be lying, or you may not have made it corectly, or even understood the principle behind it's operation. There are many possibilities, and I have seen no justification for calling the machine a scam.

: : It is unfortunate that I must point out that our current understanding of physics is NOT complete, and that it cannot explain all observable phenomona.
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: That's a true statement, but it has nothing to do with techstuf's false claim.

You have not demonstrated that his claim is false. Furthermore, the fact that the laws of physics are not complete has EVERYTHING to do with His claims, as well as your own. You must surely realize, Darren, that if our understanding of physics WERE complete, then perpetual motion or free energy of any sort is impossible. That would mean that anyone claiming otherwise, including you and Bessler, MUST be either deluded or a fraud.

: : Having said all that, it is certainly possible that the machine does not work as calimed.
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: It's alot more than "possible"

Again, that claim is unsubstantiated, just like all your other claims. I'm not saying it isn't true, just that you have not made the case.

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Comments:	: : : Wow, this post was pretty strong... why would you take exception? Do you know him? : I don't know him, and I have never seen his machine except in the photos. Based upon what I have seen in those photos, though, his machine DOES produce an unballanced COG, which should produce motion without an outside energy input. : : I wouldn't call it a scam because he doesn't appear to be looking for money or anything... yet. : Exactly true. : : His claim does sound very suspicious though, and he obviously lied about some things so... who knows... maybe it is a scam. : We all lie about some things Darren, including YOU. I will point out that YOUR claims are even MORE suspicious at this point than are those of Techstuff. Nevertheless, I am willing to give both of you the benefit of the doubt... for now. : : I have. It doesn't work. : So you say. You may be right, but you may be lying, or you may not have made it corectly, or even understood the principle behind it's operation. There are many possibilities, and I have seen no justification for calling the machine a scam. : : : It is unfortunate that I must point out that our current understanding of physics is NOT complete, and that it cannot explain all observable phenomona. : : : : That's a true statement, but it has nothing to do with techstuf's false claim. : You have not demonstrated that his claim is false. Furthermore, the fact that the laws of physics are not complete has EVERYTHING to do with His claims, as well as your own. You must surely realize, Darren, that if our understanding of physics WERE complete, then perpetual motion or free energy of any sort is impossible. That would mean that anyone claiming otherwise, including you and Bessler, MUST be either deluded or a fraud. : : : : Having said all that, it is certainly possible that the machine does not work as calimed. : : : : It's alot more than "possible" : Again, that claim is unsubstantiated, just like all your other claims. I'm not saying it isn't true, just that you have not made the case. : Lurker
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