Posted by Scott Ellis (216.87.95.64) on December 11, 2001 at 22:19:47:
In Reply to: Hydraulic perpetual motion posted by Davis Landstrom on December 10, 2001 at 02:56:41:
Hey Davis,
Thanks for using this discussion board. I really appreciate your posts... keep them coming!
My first reaction to your design is that I think it will have an equilibrium point at 45 degrees, that is at the point where all 4 arms are at 45 degrees to vertical. At that point the falling weight is only applying half of its weight straight down (since it is falling down a 45 degree slope), while the opposing weight is also applying half its weight down, resulting in equilibrium.
I have contemplated many schemes such as this, where the weight on one side of the wheel is made to do work on the other side (independent of turning the wheel directly) by means of pipes or pulleys. I have been especially interested in the action of bellows, to force moving air from one side of the wheel to the other, to create an effect that results in overbalancing.
Do you agree with my proposition, that this machine will come to rest with the arms at 45 degrees from the vertical?
If so, one might wonder if it would work with just 3 arms, each 120 degrees from the other. In this case, my experiments show that machines like this come to rest with one arm directly above the vertical, and the other 2 below and equi-distant from the vertical.
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Best,
Scott
: Although this idea is probably not what Bessler actually used in any of his wheels it is an interesting desighn that if made to work could use Gravity in much the same way.
: The desighn consists of a series of four or more Hydraulic pistons each one located on a shaft opposite the other, these pistons are connected with flexable pipe in pairs i.e they are each connected to the one on the opposite shaft to them.
: Each piston has a sliding weight inside of it, and two of the pistons are filled with water. The whole system could be mounted on a shaft and allowed to rotate, the system would be continually overbalancing because the weight in the piston falling at the bottom of the construct would cause water to be forced out and up into the piston opposite it at the top of the construct, this transfer would be aided by the fact that the weight in the piston at the top of the construct would also be falling so it would create a low pressure area which would help force the water up.
: A piston, the 1's represent
: the weight that can slide
: ___/_the length of the piston.
: | 1111\
: Tube |______1111\\
: _/_________ I //
: /___________\ I //
: // \\ I //
: _//_ \\ I // ____
: |////| \\I // | | Water leaves
: |////| \I// |1111|/this piston
: |1111|_____________/ \_____________|1111| and is forced
: |1111| /\ /\ |////| by the
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