Posted by Øystein Rustad (217.70.229.45) on February 22, 2002 at 05:54:01:
In Reply to: Re: Some engineering thoughts posted by L. P. Marken on February 20, 2002 at 17:47:07:
I just want to answer to your questions/statements....
"I guess my main argument against a "simple" mechanical gravity approach (using only old world parts) is that the Moon and the Earth are so... well, big! The gravity from those enormous bodies would work the same way on all parts inside the relatively small Bessler wheel, so how could there be an unbalance? "
Answer : yes this is the main opinion among "everybody".
BUT, it do not mean that it is true !
Lack of belief and imagination is the main reason for this to be such a "hard one".
Even if a person had a working model on paper, it would propably not be put to life, because of the basic lack of beief.
"there must be a reason this would not work, that I have not thought about" is the most common thought then, I think !
No one would encurrage you to build it, just laughing...etc !
This is the answer to your next statement :
"Given the number of people in the world and the time that has passed since Bessler, the chances that he made something that noone else has ever been able to replicate, seem very small to me."
unbalance is possible, it has been tested and verified by me !
Newtons laws would not directly cover this.
But his formulas would be used to calculate energy from the masses etc... After all his laws are correct (to calculte energi from masses etc..), but can not be used to calculate balance in such a construction.
This is the biggest missunderstanding in science about this thing, I think. Therefor "no one" can calculate it and no one can verify it, and no one will believe it !!!
A "law" modification allowing the Bessler-principle would then be :
Equation :
M*A*D1+WS = M*A*Dc = Potential maximum energy in the Besslerwheel
Ws = work collected by spring
Dc = converted mass-height : D1 + Ws/M*A
Radius in a wheel would then be :
(D1 = top height of weight going up)
(Dc = top height of weight going down.)
radius down, rc = Dc/2
radius going up, r1 (average)= Dc - (Dc-D1)/2
As we can see : total potential energy = total potential energy
Potential energy of mass ARE NOT = potent.energy of mass
(If we put in Ws = 2 Joule and M = 10kg and Dc = 4meter
in the formulas, you will see what I mean !!
Thus , it is possible !!!!!
Thanx