Posted by Darren (65.33.33.204) on June 09, 2003 at 21:08:25:
In Reply to: Get a Lawyer Before you help Daren posted by Lurker on June 09, 2003 at 17:54:28:
In regard to your thread title... you're being a hypocrite.
You go on and on about how people need to just publish publish publish and then when someone disagrees with you or points out how obviously wrong your advice is you attack them with accusations like the one in the title. You and all the others out there harboring conspiracy theories and mistrust and fostering fears... in my opinion you very well may be a part of the reason FE isn't public yet.
: If Bessler was genuine, I think his entire life was a tragedy of his own making.
Possibly, but he also had alot of serious, documented opposition. People who were most definitely "out to get him"... I'm not all that surprised he ended the way he did.
: I would hate to see the same thing repeated once again.
Oh really? Then why do you make statements like the one in the title of this thread? To scare people away from helping? So that it takes longer to get done? How confused are you?
: It is my fear that it will be repeated...
Apparently you have alot of fears.
: and that it has been repeated many times in the past.
Again, more dark secrets and conspiracy theories.
: It is my goal to break the cycle if I can. As I see it, that is my duty.
Your "duty"? How megalomaniacal is that? Tell me, who put you in charge of that duty? Or are you self appointed?
: I think you have revealed your true motives here Daren.
I have never, and do not plan to ever hide anything about my motives, desires, or objectives. Ask anyone who has contacted me on this board or outside.
: They are exactly the same as Bessler's.
So... your point is?
: I'm not critisizing you. I'm simply making a note so that other's will not be deluded by any illusions of altruism on your part.
Altruism? I have never said that I am doing this solely for the good of humanity... I have also said many times that I am not greedy and out to rule the world. I am neither altruistic, nor am I avaricious. I became interested in Bessler's wheel... came up with bunch of ideas... the last idea didn't balance... found out over time that it would be A) an amazing invention for the world, and B) potentially quite lucrative. Very simple... no hidden agendas.
: You have openly stateted that you have extensively studied patent law, etc, which implies that you DO plan to apply for a patent, something that you denied in a previous statement.
No, *you* said I "extensively studied patent law, etc". I said I "did my homework." Not only were many of your statements in the last post incorrect but now your putting words in my mouth and, apparently because you didn't like to hear that you were wrong, are attempting to now make me look bad. I'm sure the people reading this, and those who are considering helping me, are intelligent enough to see through that.
: My advice for anyone who wishes to collaborate with you is to get a lawyer before they actually commit to anything.
You know, that might not be a bad idea. If this thing really works then I'm sure we'll all be needing representation because everyone from the govt to corporations to other inventors will want a piece of it. If you think you'll need protection from a working Bessler wheel then you're probably right. If you think you'll need protection from *me* then all you have to do is not help.
I'm willing to share something that, if it works, is probably one of the biggest things to happen in scientific history, just to make sure it gets done and not fogotten again (something you keep saying you're dreadfully afraid of)... I think that's damn trusting of me. It may not qualify as altruistic but sheesh... you really need to get over your fears... and yourself.
:My prediction is that you will end up exactly the same as Bessler, even if you have discovered the secret.
My prediction is that you will end up exactly the same as all the other "lurkers" which inhabit these boards. Those that never come up with ideas of their own, but feel per
You just drop an encouraging comment every now... and then and push your opinions and your advice. You definitely sound intelligent but... I wonder...
Sorry if this sounded rough, didn't mean to be, but it's obvious that *your* motives are a little questionable, and to be honest... you're slowing me down.
If you have something *constructive* and helpful to post please do so, but I really don't want to go back and forth about this anymore, it's a waste.
Later,
Darren