Posted by MR (207.223.245.99) on October 24, 2003 at 09:36:11:
In Reply to: Re: Experimental proof of OU? posted by Jonathan on October 24, 2003 at 00:16:51:
Jonathan, you said:
"I did not claim that energy was created, I claimed that it was free, and in fact we didn't pay for it."
Your statement gets to the meat of the matter. While many would rather pit their "massive intellects" against each other over what can and can't be done.....what is and isn't a violation of the "sacred" laws of thermodynamics....some of us are still focussed on what really matters. Are "we" getting more of the kind of energy that "we" want OUT than the kind of energy that goes in? If so, then I, for one, would care not a wit about the high minded cacophany that always surrounds this type of research. ;^)
: Ah, I see. But technically, it is overunity: to be so energy out must be greater than energy in, O>I or O/I>1. Since you put almost no energy in, and because the energy out is furnished freely from the body and not you, the technique has almost limitless COP. I did not claim that energy was created, I claimed that it was free, and in fact we didn't pay for it.
: : Hi all, this just occured to me today. Have any of you watched any discovery channel shows on space travel? Ever heard of gravity assit(-ence in launching space craft)? Well, it is well known that to save money on space craft one can give a space craft the appropriate velocity at the appropriate time so that it will fall toward the heavenly bodies (plural because it often uses more than one body during one trip) and end up farther from that body than it started. This means that with tiny energy input one can achieve huge increases in gravitational potential energy! And I have proof too! NASA does it all the time, the most striking being the Voyager and Pioneer space craft, both of which are barely in the solar system any more! Do you know how much rocket fuel that would have taken had they not used gravity assit?! And yet these same scientists call gravity a conservative force field! Addition: I just found these sites that back me up: An oversimplified view at:
: : http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/images/f23.gif
: : Scoll down to 'History of the Voyager Mission', it's the first paragraph under that heading:
: : http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/science/planetary.html