Distant action...

[Art]

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PS - An alternate definition of "innuendo " is - A modern form of Italian suppository .

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[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Art,

Yep, some of Bessler's hints can be a pain in the bottom, and could end in tears.

[rlortie]

OK Art lets consider this!

A bell crank pendulum having a length four times that of the right angle cross bar. the bob weighs i pound It falls one quarter (90 degrees) it lifts four pounds one quarter (90 degrees). The trade of is the radius of the weights.

Speculation of how one can hang eight of these on a disk in such manner that the four pound weight is released to OB the disk and travel with it.

The AP wheel depiction shows this as possibly being done in less than 120 degrees

Ralph

[Art]

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I dunno Ralph , I remember in the few years that I spent on pendelums (while I was getting to dislike them ) I tested one that pretty well matched your description above . I was looking for a difference in inertial reaction between the bob and the much heavier side arm weight when the wheel was spinning clockwise compared to when it was spinning counterclockwise .And found none , - which surprised me !. I think I must have felt like Trevor [ "the Bad " :) ] at the time .

Unloading the heavier weight onto the disc at the correct position would probably make all the difference if it could be done simply without a whole lot of catches and ramps . I think thats probably worth further thought .

Its interesting that the AP wheel depiction has the three black sections of almost 90 degrees , - three quarters high ? : )

However it bothers me that the black sections are almost exactly 94 degrees and the white sections 26 degrees totalling 120 degrees even though the black and white sections do not have the same axis , and neither one of them has the same axis as the centre of that circle ! . Another brilliant Bessler brocade ! He's got to be covering something up there .

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[Art]

Hi Trevor LW [ "the Good " : ) ] .

Quote ".............could end in tears ."

An Athenian passes a pair of pants over to his mate in the market and says "Eumenides ?" .

His mate holds them up to the light and says "Euripides ?"

Sorry Alex - Trevor made me do it ! : )

[iacob alex]

.....so to transmit mechanical movement up to four kilometers , or as a lifting rod system , that runs vertically up the mineshaft , at :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatrod_system
So , it's easy to test a minimal spare parts arrangement , as a possible gravity (self...) powered rolling variable leverage... :
www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text013.jpg
Opinions cannot survive without our old doubts...
Al_ex

[iacob alex]

.....as an old technology/that originates in a sixteenth century power transmission system , at :
https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2013/02 ... stems.html
Maybe , it can be usefull for your model ( see Fergusson Wheel proposal...)
Al_ex

[John Collins]

Fascinating find Alex. I was in the process of writing a blog about the 18th C organ and it’s methods of transferring action from the organist’s finger pressing the key on the keyboard to control wind to the organ pipes. I note that the ‘action at a distance’ which your website shows is almost the same as was used in organs of Bessler’s day, but hugely miniaturised.

JC

[iacob alex]

Hi JC !
Take a look at :
https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2013/03 ... ropes.html
You can read here..."they used fast-moving rope transmission (that...) were more efficient than electricity for distances up to 5 kilometers ".
For our "disputable" forum , we have a possible ever increasing distant action , at :
www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text045.jpg
...applied for a simplified variable lever(age).
To play a gravity continuous unbalance on the same side of the fulcrum (and so an unceasing motion/spinning...) all we need is a top take-on /distant action of the "short arm" into a "long arm",cyclically...in a some manner...hoping for the "self motion"!?
It's an elementary,plain proposal...
Al_ex

[Georg Künstler]

Hi iacob alex,
the observation from you is correct.

You change the length of the Lever arm, but that is not for free in your construction. See the example.

http://alt.kuenstler-energie.de/img/tester2.gif

You always need a second system to interact. therefore I have
developed the gravity converter.
Here I have the endless length of a Lever arm, represented by the hole where the cylinders are rolling, swinging.
http://alt.kuenstler-energie.de/

Only with a second System you can generate different accelerations.
This different accelerations of the masses are the Driver of the Wheel.

In short, lift and shift on different Locations in the Wheel.
it is a positive Feedback Loop construction.

So also you death Wheel seeing is correct but not complete.
it is this plus the second System.
In the death Wheel the Support Transfers the gravity energy to the earth.
This must be prevented with an intermediate System which can also move.
The carrier of the masses must also move.

[iacob alex]

Hi Georg !
Action (to amass motion...) it's not for "free".
Distant action (transmission of motion ) it's for "free" , including on the vertical line...let's say with a rope , if you have a motion charger.
Distant action is simply a "free relocation" of an unbalance(down to up)...
What you call a "second system"(by the way ,if you have it..it's ok), for me is a simple in-out storage of motion.
How you play it , it's your choice..."in some manner" as I said.
Al_ex

[iacob alex]

.....is a common method to start a natural avalanche , at :
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... lmie-pass/
We can shape a simple abstract "copy " of this fact , as :
www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text048.jpg
A natural avalanche is due to a small unbalance in the gravitational field , on the "head".
A lever with a single variable arm and a heavy hub (playing in/out rotational motion storage) , can be tested as a gravity continuous unbalanced system , due to the torque unbalance on the same side of the fulcrum , if...we find a manner to play the "distant action "(to remake the top unbalance , cyclically...).
The gravity drop, fall("avalanche") is for "free" .
The rotational motion storage can supply a small distant ("jumping")action , so to reshape the longer arm in the top position and so...the next unbalance/free fall /like a mechanical "avalanche" , if you like...
If the distant action<<<motion storage...you know...
Al_ex

[Georg Künstler]

Hi iacob alex,
you wrote:

The rotational motion storage can supply a small distant ("jumping")action , so to reshape the longer arm in the top position and so...the next unbalance/free fall /like a mechanical "avalanche" , if you like...

In fact their are several "jumping")actions ongoing in the wheel.
ALL ARE JUMPING AT THE SAME TIME.
MANY PIECES OF LEAD:
If I had 8 jumpers, and all are jumping in one direction, then I have an effect of an long and an short lever arm, generating the torque.
Effect well to see on the death wheel.
The artist can go to the axle, the other to the rim.

The wheel of death has a fixed axle, not comparable to Bessler which said that the axle should also move.
Maybe that was possible with the hollow shaft.

[iacob alex]

Hi Georg !
Your comment is about a wheel...
My proposal is about a lever with a single variable arm and a single "jumping" action ...to renew the top starting unbalance of he lever.
A natural avalanche (not only snow...) is an expression of the free gravity fall.
The free drop of an inverted pendulum (unbalanced lever...) is alike ?!
Al_ex

[Georg Künstler]

Hi iacob alex;
you wrote:

The free drop of an inverted pendulum (unbalanced lever...) is alike ?!

Yes it is, but the fall must be catched after some distance of fall to reuse the same mass again and again.

So your beam needs to allow a reswing when extracting the falling energy.
It is a "wrong" falling.