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[preoccupied]

I tried to write a really thoughtful response to you but I took too long and it made me re-log in. I'll just summarize that I think MT drawings all lead to working Bessler wheels and that I'm vulnerable to thinking that I'm right and I'm not hoaxing anybody. Jeez what a huge waste of time I just had I lost everything that I wrote.

[JUBAT]

Word of advice: keep your posts short and type them up in word first. Then you can edit and copy and paste when ready. A long post from you is just skip-over material, but I tend to read a bit more when you keep it short.

None of your ideas are worth a damn unless you build and test them. It's okay to share them, but until you have built and tested them, quit coming off as so right.

Don't like it? Then you will keep being the forum jester. Which is fine because we could always use another one.

[WaltzCee]

You are creative, Jon. I think above average people are the average of those attempting to solve this. I'll move on to this thought of yours:

but like nobody is meeting me even halfway with analyzing my designs, I am all alone. You care about silly stuff to interact with me about when you can probably see how a lot of my designs could work and don't want to acknowledge it.

Every design I've seen you post would not survive built on a 12 foot diameter wheel spinning at 30 rpm's. c.f. would pin it as far away from the CoR as it could move.

I just used an online g-force calculator and it returned 2 g's at the edge of a 12 foot wheel spinning at 30 rpm's.

Is this 1/2 way enough? I do have a few more points to make, if you can hear them

[WaltzCee]

Word of advice: keep your posts short and type them up in word first. . .. .. .

Periodically, one can select then copy what they've typed. That at times persists in the clipboard. At times not.

[JUBAT]

Right on and then if you save what you've typed locally, you can quote from it. If you wait long enough to the point everyone forgets what you typed, you can repost it as the need arises.

I like saving my posts - it makes great research to see what has been tried and died. Someday it will make a great appendix to KB's book - you know - a lot of talk and no substance...it's therapeutic at best.

[WaltzCee]

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I like saving my posts - it makes great research to see what has been tried and died. Someday it will make a great appendix to KB's book - you know - a lot of talk and no substance...it's therapeutic at best.

and fraudulent at worse.
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If you watch the video, you'll notice the CoM moves around slightly at BCD, or is in a state of perpetual keel.

Also this design would fail way before 2 g's.

He calls this animation a simulation.

[JUBAT]

I have to say I like Ken's every other mechanism approach but still it's all fanciful thinking without a real world build.

[Fletcher]

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I like saving my posts - it makes great research to see what has been tried and died. Someday it will make a great appendix to KB's book - you know - a lot of talk and no substance...it's therapeutic at best.

and fraudulent at worse.
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If you watch the video, you'll notice the CoM moves around slightly at BCD, or is in a state of perpetual keel.

Also this design would fail way before 2 g's.

He calls this animation a simulation.

[preoccupied]

This is like my other design trying the same thing but it is more over balanced. The long lever is significant but not as significant because the wheel is more overbalanced. In this design the purple lines pull the weight into 90 degrees from the axis and the red lines pull the weight perpendicular to the axis. So on the bottom left to the bottom right the weight begins shifting to 90 degrees to the axis and the weights being lifted at the top right to top left are lifted perpendicular to the axis.

[WaltzCee]

Jon,

You should be able to enroll at a Jr college at no cost. Then you would be eligible to get a copy of wm2d for around $50.

It's a powerful tool. Your McPaint drawing skills will transfer to that medium excellently.

Are you too cool for school?

[JUBAT]

Heck for 50 bucks it would worth dropping out.

[preoccupied]

I think that some of you have tried to make a gear arrangement that leaves one side with more weights while the wheel is turning but you don't know why it won't move even though it's over balanced. The answer is that it's not overbalanced on the gear on the rim. The gear on the rim adds lever distance the distance to the rim where the gear is to the load. It's a mechanical lever addition to the loads leverage not an actual load force. So this design takes advantage of the mechanical lever changes by making a lever distance in favor of the driving weights. The description in the pictures helps explain too. I know that I've seen you guys have levers positioned facing in one direction caused by gears rotating hoping that it because it looks overbalanced would cause the wheel to be over balanced but none of you have pointed out why and the reason is that the gear is not overbalanced it has a mechanically longer lever in favor of the load because the distance toe the rim is part of the lever for the load which halters it but is not a driving force just like my long lever no matter how long I make it in purple cannot give more driving force it's basically weightless at the green lines and on.

[preoccupied]

Do you think that a spring can whip lash a swinging weight in time to reattach to a swastika? This has got to be the most humorous way to have a perpetual motion machine if one existed. So non serious in nature.

[preoccupied]

The wheel will have about 45 degrees of overbalance before it hits the spring by the weight naturally falling like a pendulum but it could have 90 degrees of overbalance potentially also. How do you make sure the spring has enough force to push it back into place on the swastika? You know?! You could always fudge it a little. You could wind the gear backwards some using the wheel itself and release it to push the weight back into place. Imagine if you will a gear attached to the base of the swastika that pulls the spring back powering it up a little, then the weight will swing into the spring and the spring will release having had been already preloaded by the previous overbalanced forces. If this works the wheel should build up momentum until it's so fast that the weight doesn't swing downwards as far or not very much at all. Pretty fast though I think. If the spring were not loaded into place or wound by the wheel then it would not be as efficient. So of course this addition to my idea is necessary. Don't you think so guys? Take your time.

[preoccupied]

I'm probably wrong about my logic. But I think F=MA means that you have to bring up the mass up to a certain speed to reach its full Force. I think that all four weights need to swing at least once for the total force being added to the wheel be 4 each time it swings. Acceleration will increase by one swing of the weight 1 times 4 equals four but that's not true until all four weights get a swing in, I think. So once the wheel is turning so that each acceleration increase is equal to 4 Force it only takes 1 force to push the spring back into place from that 4 force for a gain of 3 force. This could be called Force mass acceleration because in the mechanism the mass needs to reach a certain acceleration to cause each new added force to equal its mass in force acceleration. So the force acceleration is equal to one mass with the first swing of the weight. All of the weights begin moving at 1 force acceleration. Then all of the weights begin moving at 2 force acceleration and possibly like that for 3 force and 4 force maybe but at 4 force each new force added is only 4 force acceleration it doesn't get any better than this. Crap I think I drew my gear on the wrong side in my drawing. It's supposed to pull the gear to the left and set it up to push the weight.