Posted by John Lindsay (204.233.133.41) on July 08, 2003 at 19:53:16:
In Reply to: Re: Question for Michael and Statement* posted by Georg Künstler on July 08, 2003 at 15:36:39:
: : Hi John,
: : No sorry to say your design and mine are not one and the same. I want to point out however that you should realize that parts of your design look like some things in MT. I also need to point out that a patent, secures the rights of intellectual property of an individual, whereby a process or method is acknowledged as being unique and original. Certainly parts of your design are originally yours, but correct me if I am mistaken, you're not too sure exactly if and how your idea will work. Right? You may want to think about getting your design registered, which is something a little different than a patent, that way no one can copy your design.
: : Michael
: : : Just out of curiosity, does your device look anything like the one I posted-The Liberotor? As we all know TOO well, there is an infinite variety of ways to arrange pressure/tension/force on a round object! I'm guessing that your idea is different and I hope it works! As a refresher, the design that I posted is essentially 8 disc-like objects with flexible, jointed pendulums on both sides of them, attached to the center disc axle-the axles on these are equidistantly attached to a larger wheel with chains or cables in a manner that the discs on the bottom half of a big wheel are all leaning on each other and moving slower than the big wheel and in the process tilting and untilting the pendulums due to short shafts that get in the way. The discs on the upper half of the wheel are leaning on the inside of the big hub of the wheel.*******This design is on file at the Unites States Patent and Trademark Office and is Patent Pending in my name. The design they have on file is more detailed and adjustable. For those who might be interested, No one can make money or profit in any way from this design or device without my permission. Just to let folks know. Thanks John
: Hi John,
: it is fine that you have a patent pending. But can you explain, were the overunity comes from.
: Have you managed to put the movements in formulars of physic/mathematic ? If so, then you know,
: that you only can protect one way, the others are open. The Besslerwheel is only a toy, and is technic from 1712.
: Of sure you have heard from Schauberger and Tesla, these two had known also the secret.
: Best regards
: Georg Künstler
Thanks for all the input and comments folks. It was suggested by Jerry Decker that one approach was to at least get a provisional patent, let several people become aware of the design, and then, if you want to, let it become public domain or whatever. Don't want some "ghostwriter inventor" scooping it up. The If part, well I just won't know until it is built just like everyone else;). Now the how and math part-what we have here is a strictly gravitational arrangement that Maintains Its' Position (does this phrase sound familiar?) and yet in the process "exerts force"-tilting pairs of pendulums-and the wheel will "know" where they are and act accordingly. This phenomenon exhibits a collaborational force characteristic that I would call "Force Favoritism". Of course none of the mechanical arrangements that we are familiar with exhibit this property, and mainstream science dismissed the possibility, so there is no mathematical formula. Cheers John